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sergiodaly said:

No need to emulate the hole game since the CPU and GPU has backwards compatible with the old instructions but the different memory scheme is going to have a workaround, and just because this is backwards compatible doesn't mean is automatically the same generation console.

Yet both consoles will use the same discs, they'll both use the same accessories, and they'll both play 99% the same games. Almost every game you play on Scoprio will be in an XBO case. According to what's officially been released so far, It is an XBO.



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sergiodaly said:

You're sure?

Xbox one game engine says - put this code bits in esram please. 

Scorpio says - what is esram?

No need to emulate the hole game since the CPU and GPU has backwards compatible with the old instructions but the different memory scheme is going to have a workaround, and just because this is backwards compatible doesn't mean is automatically the same generation console.

Scorpio might not need to care about eSRAM. It should be able to just brute force it with the proper abstraction.

Need more information first on how Microsoft has achieved it... But Quad-Drupling the L2 cache is likely to counter the reduction in eSRAM.



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Pemalite said:
sergiodaly said:

You're sure?

Xbox one game engine says - put this code bits in esram please. 

Scorpio says - what is esram?

No need to emulate the hole game since the CPU and GPU has backwards compatible with the old instructions but the different memory scheme is going to have a workaround, and just because this is backwards compatible doesn't mean is automatically the same generation console.

Scorpio might not need to care about eSRAM. It should be able to just brute force it with the proper abstraction.

Need more information first on how Microsoft has achieved it... But Quad-Drupling the L2 cache is likely to counter the reduction in eSRAM.

Doesn't the 32mb esram have some advantages, like direct access to the gpu independent of the main memory bus?
How is 8 mb of L2 cache going to replace that?
Plus I guess games can be better optimized when not having to resort to tiling to fit in esram.

I guess it can adequately emulate it with the higher speeds of everything else for backwards compatibility, yet for real benefits games will likely need a scorpio patch.



SvennoJ said:

Doesn't the 32mb esram have some advantages, like direct access to the gpu independent of the main memory bus?
How is 8 mb of L2 cache going to replace that?
Plus I guess games can be better optimized when not having to resort to tiling to fit in esram.

I guess it can adequately emulate it with the higher speeds of everything else for backwards compatibility, yet for real benefits games will likely need a scorpio patch.

It would be 16Mb of L2 cache, not 8Mb.
Jaguar in the consoles use a 2x2Mb configuration, for 4Mb.

And yes, eSRAM does have a few advantages, capacity for one.
But L2 cache is typically lower-latency, has more bandwidth. (We are talking TB/s a here.)

Too early to tell how that cache is configured, if it's shared with the GPU or not, or even if it's exclusive to the GPU. (I would assume not.)
Need more information before an educated break-down can be made.

The rest can be brute forced/abstracted easily to make it run at the same rate as an Xbox One.
Microsoft will probably take a software approach in the same place that Sony would take a hardware one, Microsoft has the software engineers.



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Barkley said:
sergiodaly said:

No need to emulate the hole game since the CPU and GPU has backwards compatible with the old instructions but the different memory scheme is going to have a workaround, and just because this is backwards compatible doesn't mean is automatically the same generation console.

Yet both consoles will use the same discs, they'll both use the same accessories, and they'll both play 99% the same games. Almost every game you play on Scoprio will be in an XBO case. According to what's officially been released so far, It is an XBO.

Ok, according to MS it will be the same platform on the software side, but in the hardware it is not imo. Let's hope MS keep that promise. This whole thing looks like a half thought project and we will have to wait to see how it plays out.



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