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Tagging. But b4 I read....Gosh I hope not. I would respond fully right now, but I'm tired, and wrestling with my laptop AND my phone, which has the VGC app is so cumbersome. I wish there were another way, but that's for scientists of the future to figure out.



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zorg1000 said:
Soundwave said:
They could release a clamshell design with Joycons right on the bottom side that slide out if they really wanted to, but I think people will be fine with the tablet form factor and even prefer that to the old clamshell design.

Clamshell is not the be-all, end-all, Nintendo made portables for damn near 14 years before they ever made a single clamshell designed handheld and sold millions and millions of Game Boys before the GBA SP.

Beyond that, tablet is the more popular form factor today.

who has said anything about a clamshell design?

That's the insinuation I hear a lot of that Switch is not a "real" Nintendo handheld because it doesn't have a DS design ... I'm just pointing out that Nintendo made portables that weren't that design for 14 years prior to the DS, a lot of people who are younger probably don't really grasp this. 

Form factors change with time and perhaps the fact is the DS/3DS style form factor is due for retirement. It doesn't invalidate the Switch as a portable system just because it has a different design. 



Soundwave said:

They could release a clamshell design with Joycons right on the bottom side that slide out if they really wanted to, but I think people will be fine with the tablet form factor and even prefer that to the old clamshell design.

Clamshell is not the be-all, end-all, Nintendo made portables for damn near 14 years before they ever made a single clamshell designed handheld and sold millions and millions of Game Boys before the GBA SP. Too many kids here think clamshell = Nintendo portable ... no kids, there was plenty of time before the GBA SP/DS/3DS when Nintendo made portables with a different form factor. 

When I was growing up you sure as hell could not put your Game Boy in your jean pockets. 

Beyond that, tablet is the more popular form factor today.

I gotta admit, I'm a big fan of the clamshell design, but it isn't an absolute must for a handheld. The PSP's form factor was perfectly comfortable. 

zorg1000 said:

Well they released a 3DS model with no 3D so anything is possible.

Back in 2014 when Iwata first started talking about their next generation of hardware, he talked about having a unified platform where all software could be shared and that didnt necessarily mean they would only release a single device, rather it could be possible that the number of form factors could increase and have a larger "family of devices".

Releasing a hybrid device first to demonstrate the value of a unified platform followed by additional form factors designed for specific play styles is what i think we will see. I think within the next two years we will see a smaller, portable only model without detachable controls and a home console only model each sold at a lower price than the hybrid model.

What you just described is my ideal Nintendo Platform. With the naming scheme they've gone with now, I just don't know if they'll actually do it. What'll the standalone system? The Switch Blade?

...actually that's not so bad...



 

The Joycon grip with the "puppy ears" removed could likely be turned into a clamshell design with a few tweaks. You'd likely have to flatten the joysticks to be a bit more like 3DS sticks, but otherwise just slap a screen with a battery underlay onto this and you have a relatively small portable machine that doesn't break compatibility with any Joycons. 

Likely they'd have to wait for a die shrink, but it's probably doable at 14nm or 10nm. 



Soundwave said:
zorg1000 said:

who has said anything about a clamshell design?

That's the insinuation I hear a lot of that Switch is not a "real" Nintendo handheld because it doesn't have a DS design ... I'm just pointing out that Nintendo made portables that weren't that design for 14 years prior to the DS, a lot of people who are younger probably don't really grasp this. 

Form factors change with time and perhaps the fact is the DS/3DS style form factor is due for retirement. It doesn't invalidate the Switch as a portable system just because it has a different design. 

Not that I'd disagree, but just pointing out, that Nintendo's been using the clamshell since 1982 (or 1981) in Game&Watch.



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dharh said:

Maybe not but I found this hilarious:

Lmao whoever made that did a bang up job :)



Trunkin said:

I'd argue that, if consoles were truly important to Nintendo, they would have found the money to do something to save it. After all, they had a ton of cash after the run-away success of the Wii and DS. Their investors would just have to accept the temporary losses -- unless they thought the idea itself was so terrible that it could not be salvaged, which would make me ask how the concept ever got off the ground in the first place.

I think the Wii U could have sold much better if they'd taken action early on by cutting by immediately cutting $100 off its asking price, removing the built-in gamepad, investing heavily in first/second party games, and paying third parties to bring games to their platform. No way would it ever sell PS4 numbers, but I bet it would have sold a bare minimum of 2x as much as it did.

Well, there's that Nintendo had basically two consoles to save, 3DS and Wii U. It's pretty obvious that even if they'd been willing to spend the money trying to save both of the devices, Nintendo's development resources could not keep up. I think this is what woke Nintendo up to unify their development resources.

Why they coudn't just ditch the gamepad, I could see two reasons: the time Nintendo figured out Wii U isn't going to pick up steam, they already had locked themselves with the software to the gamepad, and also that manufacturing contracts Nintendo had, extended so far into Wii U's life with the sales rate it had, that it hadn't save money, and it had not been sensible to ditch at that point anymore.



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

Snoopy said:
The switch will fail because it has no 3rd party support. End of story and move on.

And yet you are still here. And will be for the next installments.



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zorg1000 said:
Soundwave said:
They could release a clamshell design with Joycons right on the bottom side that slide out if they really wanted to, but I think people will be fine with the tablet form factor and even prefer that to the old clamshell design.

Clamshell is not the be-all, end-all, Nintendo made portables for damn near 14 years before they ever made a single clamshell designed handheld and sold millions and millions of Game Boys before the GBA SP.

Beyond that, tablet is the more popular form factor today.

who has said anything about a clamshell design?

I certainly have, I feel the price, clamshell design and long battery life were 3 major attributes of the DS success as a portable. I don't believe its the be-all, end-all but I think it definitely is advantageious for a portable making it easy to protect and more compact to fit into a pocket easily. 

Certainly the Switch doesn't have any of those attributes at all and as a portable will suffer because of it. However that said the landscape has changed and people now have more versatile mobile phones and tablets anyway even children so its a harder sell to produce a dedicated portable gaming device even if you do get the format and pricing right. The clamshell format was especially good for children who treat devices roughly with little respect or care.

No doubt in future months we will most likely debate why the Switch has failed and we will frankly be spoilt for choice with regard reasons for its low sales; console itself, game line-up, prices, performance level, market having moved away from dedicated portable game consoles etc.



I hate to burst it to you, but the switch is a home console. Nintendo themselves said so in the Fire emblem direct where they said the switch fire emblem marks the return of the series to home consoles.

Give it up, its a home console. It just has the bonus you can take it with you for a while, but it's main use is on your TV.

 

I'm pretty sure a sucessor to the 3DS will come.