Forgive me if I'm wrong , didn't the PS3  controller have a gyroscope built in I remember using it in Uncharted to balance while crossing fallen trees ,or was that something different ?.

Talking about the Wii as a visionary console the console itself wasn't . The Wiimote takes that crown , more interesting is what would we be saying today if the Wii didn't have the right piece of the puzzle namely Wiisports to show the way and help make  motion control a success, would it still be touted for it's innovation or ignored as a design that had a niche use but  showed little mainstream worth , and like all fallen designs  left with a ray of hope that in the future it would once again be picked up and having it's Wii sport equivalent be hailed as a great innovation . the only difference being success.

Exactly what I would like to know!

Ya, marketing

lots of games does not equal innovation.

it is attractive because it has lots of choices to cater to all gamers.

nothing wrong with that basic approach. win the software war you will the hardware one.

"funny.  i don't see any mention of evolution.  only new."

you do understand that evolution means the changing of one thing into another right?

"you are applying different standards and even then twisting the facts to meet those different standards."

"  Motion controls are here to stay and will continue to be used by Nintendo for many games"

i wasn't talking about motion controls i was talking about the design concepts of the wii and wii u both of which nintendo has for the most part discarded

their console is now not based off of either pointer controls ( as with the wii ) or simultanous play between tv and tablet (as with the wii u )

motion controls were used long before the wii even in sony's own eye toy its not as if nintendo invented gyroscopes or motion tracking or whatever

"And even if they really were being done away with, the disruption they caused in 2006 still fits the definition of an innovation to a tee"

the point is that there was no lasting impact, the industry now has for the most part moved on entirely meaning that there really was no innovation... you don't seem to get that innovation reffers to permanent change moving forward

I'm enjoying my PS4 as it is, but I wouldn't clasify the hardware innovative. Or the software. Catalogue is varied and big (which is what I was looking for), that's for sure, but the most innovative experiences are not made by them. I think that Nintendo and some indie games take more risks with their software.

I still think it's a great videogames company, of course. But I'd love them to surprise me more. 

Their controllers have remained the same because most PS users like the controller that way. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The Xbox controller have had ergonomic changes, but their layout has remained the same since the first XBox. You don't change things just for the sake of change. 

And there are many ways to innovate other than with controllers. Sony gives a lot of liberty to its first and second parties. Games like Flower, Journey, The Last Guardian, Little Big Planet, Gravity Rush and Tearaway are all example of innovation through actual game software. 

Where's the innovation?

I have to say that you are correct, but the PS4 does so much right. I'm not sure that Sony would have taken all these risks and bet all in with their chips if the company wasn't on the verge of bankruptcy. The risk ways high, but the pay off proved to be the companies saving grace.

Yeah there's a decent amount of titles there in the mix for sure. A strong library builds consumer demand. And as a consumer the more games to choose from, the better