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Rafie on 03 January 2017
Azzanation said:
Rafie said:

I never said that it wouldn't run better. What I said how do you figure that it would. There is no proof that you can provide to say that 1st party games from PS3 would run better on 360. Virtually no proof at all.

I already gave you the reason why multiplats performed bettter on 360 than PS3. They were developed on the 360, and then ported to PS3.

Halo 4 was a beautiful game. It's subjective to say it looked better than most 1st party games on PS3. Although I agree to a degree. What about most 1st party games on PS3? I don't want to start naming games and it turns into a list war. I'm not interested in that. Also we're off topic and I don't wanna be warned. So yes the point is still valid.

Forza 4 looked marginally better in some aspects than GT5. Still, I do agree about Forza 4 looking better.

Well isnt that proof? Both Racing sims, both 1st party games pushing there systems to the limits and you agree in saying FM4 looks better.

Give or take both systems are very similar however Xbox can be pushed more with being alot more balanced and easier to develope for and had less bottlenecks.

Like i said before making a system with power with less bottlenecks is a challenge in itself. PS3 was all grunt no control. 360 had both. Cell had overheating problems hence why it was delayed when used to its fullest by devs. (Think of it as a Car with more Traction vs a Car with more Horsepower, which will run the track better? Of course the Car with more Traction) This is why i say the 360 was a more powerful system, because it was more powerful all round.

Ryse was the best looking game for 2 years on release when launched on XB1, that doesnt mean XB1 was more powerful than PS4, thats under the dev and what they wanted to achieve. Sony games always tend to push visuals while Xbox tend to be the other way around, abit like Nintendo who dont focus on visuals yet can make beauitful looking games when they want to eg. Metriod Prime (GC).

Alright. We're already off topic. I do have more to say, but I'm going to have to leave it be.

I do think the Scorpio will have an incredible advantage in most categories. I would like to hear your opinion on the games and pricing aspect of it though. Do you think that the Scorpio (Xbox as a whole) will beat the PS4/Pro in the games department? It's the only narrative that I personally see that Xbox doesn't win in AT THE MOMENT.



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Zekkyou on 03 January 2017
cpg716 said:

Um.  They have been VERY clear about it. VR will only be supported on the Scorpio.  Which will be superior then PS VR.

Otherwise. It works JUST LIKE GAMES ON PC. Why is this so difficult for people to understand when it has been done for decades now.

Games will run at 720p/900p/1080p with shorter draw distance and inferior textures, shadowing, lighting, lower FPS on Xbox One

Games will run at 4K(native or other technique) with longer draw distance, suprerior textures, shadowing, lighting, better FPS on Scorpio.

Its not just about "resolution bump". Games will LOOK better on the Scorpio vs Xbox One and PS4 Pro.   If that  and a better console VR experience matters to someone beyond "exclusives" then the Scorpio would be the better choice. 

Based on what we know about the Scorpio at present (and looking at the results the Pro has so far delivered), I'd say the bolded is excessively optimistic. The Scorpio should be able to provide a significant resolution bump *or* a significant linear graphical bump (or of course middles grounds between them), but it's very unlikely it'll be able to offer significant upgrades in both areas. It's not impossible, but it's important to keep expectations in check. As it stands, we can't even be 100% certain the Scorpio will be able to consistently run 1080p PS4 titles at 4k (with no other upgrades). I personally believe it will, but that's already going to require it to be quite a bit more efficient than the PS4's GPU.



Mafioso on 03 January 2017

After seeing the Pro teardown by Ben Heck, it seems MS really is going in a totally different direction with how Sony went with Pro.

Sony basically just used the die shrink to pack more GPU and keep a $399 SKU while not addressing bottlenecks, while MS clearly went to the drawing board, consulted developers looking to build a BEAST with no compromises.

I'm looking forward to developers finally optimizing their games around 4K visuals/performance. Everyone wins.

I own a Pro and 1440p games are welcome although barely nicer in most cases since the assets are the same quality, but i will take any multiplat on Scorpio that will give me a better visual and framerate experience.



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aLkaLiNE on 03 January 2017
cpg716 said:
kazuyamishima said:

It matters when you have quantity/quality games on your console.

 

And lately Xbox One seems to need both.

Explain to me how PS releasing maybe 4 or 5 more exlusives dramatically makes a difference?

I always find this to be a false narative. I own both consoles. There is MORE to play on them then I can handle. 

They share 95% of the SAME EXACT GAMES. But yet somehow 4 or 5 more "exclusives" (I'm not talking indie) a year makes some HUGE difference between their catalogs.

Just to give you an EXAMPLE..  Top 100 Video Games for 2016..  Microsoft had 3 Exclusives, (Halo, Forza, and Gears 4).   PS4 had 5 (Last Of Us, Uncharted, and No Mans Sky, Ratched & Clank, and The Show)

So.. The PS4 had 2 more exlcusives that sold well in 2016.. compared to the X1..     That really is a big difference? 

Well... Actually, the false narrative would be to claim that they share 95% of the same library. The reality is that Xbox ones entire library of games available to play is about 67% the size of what you can play on Ps4. This is easily verified on the PSN store and the Microsoft store itself for each console. Look.

939 games total on Xbox, 40 of those Free to play

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/top-paid/games/xbox

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/top-free/games/xbox

 

1414 games total on PS4.

https://store.playstation.com/#!/en-us/all-ps4-games/cid=STORE-MSF77008-PS4ALLGAMESCATEG%7C%7Cname~asc

 

Its possible that 95% of what's on Xbox is available on PlayStation, but it's impossible that 95% of what's on PlayStation is on Xbox. 

 

Inb4 "it's all Japanese games" (hint: it's not)



dharh on 03 January 2017

Sure it will. The real question though is will it have any games worth buying over PS4P. So far my personal verdict is no. I already own an XBONE that collects dust, I certainly don't need a second, more powerful one, collecting dust.



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Rafie on 03 January 2017
aLkaLiNE said:
cpg716 said:

Explain to me how PS releasing maybe 4 or 5 more exlusives dramatically makes a difference?

I always find this to be a false narative. I own both consoles. There is MORE to play on them then I can handle. 

They share 95% of the SAME EXACT GAMES. But yet somehow 4 or 5 more "exclusives" (I'm not talking indie) a year makes some HUGE difference between their catalogs.

Just to give you an EXAMPLE..  Top 100 Video Games for 2016..  Microsoft had 3 Exclusives, (Halo, Forza, and Gears 4).   PS4 had 5 (Last Of Us, Uncharted, and No Mans Sky, Ratched & Clank, and The Show)

So.. The PS4 had 2 more exlcusives that sold well in 2016.. compared to the X1..     That really is a big difference? 

Well... Actually, the false narrative would be to claim that they share 95% of the same library. The reality is that Xbox ones entire library of games available to play is about 67% the size of what you can play on Ps4. This is easily verified on the PSN store and the Microsoft store itself for each console. Look.

939 games total on Xbox, 40 of those Free to play

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/top-paid/games/xbox

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/top-free/games/xbox

 

1414 games total on PS4.

https://store.playstation.com/#!/en-us/all-ps4-games/cid=STORE-MSF77008-PS4ALLGAMESCATEG%7C%7Cname~asc

 

Its possible that 95% of what's on Xbox is available on PlayStation, but it's impossible that 95% of what's on PlayStation is on Xbox. 

 

Inb4 "it's all Japanese games" (hint: it's not)

Holy smokes! I didn't know it was like that! That's a huge gap of games.



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Ljink96 on 03 January 2017

I fully expect this.



DonFerrari on 03 January 2017

Sales...



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aLkaLiNE on 03 January 2017
Rafie said:
aLkaLiNE said:

Well... Actually, the false narrative would be to claim that they share 95% of the same library. The reality is that Xbox ones entire library of games available to play is about 67% the size of what you can play on Ps4. This is easily verified on the PSN store and the Microsoft store itself for each console. Look.

939 games total on Xbox, 40 of those Free to play

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/top-paid/games/xbox

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/top-free/games/xbox

 

1414 games total on PS4.

https://store.playstation.com/#!/en-us/all-ps4-games/cid=STORE-MSF77008-PS4ALLGAMESCATEG%7C%7Cname~asc

 

Its possible that 95% of what's on Xbox is available on PlayStation, but it's impossible that 95% of what's on PlayStation is on Xbox. 

 

Inb4 "it's all Japanese games" (hint: it's not)

Holy smokes! I didn't know it was like that! That's a huge gap of games.

That's because the Internet is a stream of misinformation. Nobody's even bothered to fact check when it's become easier than ever, and often times the opinions you find yourself immersed in from various forums are largely disconnected from the real world/reality.

 

An easy example of that would be with call of duty. You'll be hard pressed to find someone that admits they like the franchise, and yet guess which franchise is one of the best selling of all time.... Another one would be the notion that both HD twins share most of the same library. That's disingenuous and not true.

 

 

One thing the Internet has gotten right though? Dear lord, the Witcher 3 is gotg ._.



aLkaLiNE on 03 January 2017
Bandorr said:
cpg716 said:

Explain to me how PS releasing maybe 4 or 5 more exlusives dramatically makes a difference?

I always find this to be a false narative. I own both consoles. There is MORE to play on them then I can handle. 

They share 95% of the SAME EXACT GAMES. But yet somehow 4 or 5 more "exclusives" (I'm not talking indie) a year makes some HUGE difference between their catalogs.

Just to give you an EXAMPLE..  Top 100 Video Games for 2016..  Microsoft had 3 Exclusives, (Halo, Forza, and Gears 4).   PS4 had 5 (Last Of Us, Uncharted, and No Mans Sky, Ratched & Clank, and The Show)

So.. The PS4 had 2 more exlcusives that sold well in 2016.. compared to the X1..     That really is a big difference? 

So any sources for this "they share 95%" or are you just parroting things you've heard otherplaces?

We just debunked that d: its mathematically impossible for that to be true and also far more than a 'stretch' to call an over exaggeration.