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pleaserecycle said:
thranx said:
I think my biggest beef with global warming is that it takes the focus off of actual environmental damage that is occurring and it takes our focus off keeping a clean water supply. All of this energy, money, and time would be much better spent keeping our water and oceans clean, and getting rid of smog and particle pollution in the air. Not trying enforce regulations on what is essentially a harmless gas to us and a beneficial gas to plants.

Limiting pollution is the main solution to global warming.  Carbon monoxide (a pollutant) released from burning fossil fuels oxidizes to carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

Not from what I have seen. They want to cap and trade co2, not other gasses. Kyoto talks about co2 and green house gasses, not particle pollution. None of it mentions water.



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Even if he was right, the risks in case of being real are so high it would be crazy not to take measures, we are talking about the decimation of the human population and the destruction of the environment as we know it.



Goodnightmoon said:
Even if he was right, the risks in case of being real are so high it would be crazy not to take measures, we are talking about the decimation of the human population and the destruction of the environment as we know it.

So you agree with interning muslims around the world and bombing the middle east?

 

I mean even if we are wrong about them the risk to the rest of us if we are right is too great. Get them bombs ready

 

Fear mongering is not the way to win when facts dont work



thranx said:
Goodnightmoon said:
Even if he was right, the risks in case of being real are so high it would be crazy not to take measures, we are talking about the decimation of the human population and the destruction of the environment as we know it.

So you agree with interning muslims around the world and bombing the middle east?

 

I mean even if we are wrong about them the risk to the rest of us if we are right is too great. Get them bombs ready

 

Fear mongering is not the way to win when facts dont work

The measures I'm talking about don't include to kill all the people from a culture/race just because some of them are terrorists, in fact the mesures I'm talking bout don't include killing at all, so the comparison doesn't make much sense.

Most scientifics around the world believe on the climate chnge and most of the measures to combat it are good for the environment and we are gonna need to do something about that sooner or later anyways, why not now? 



Goodnightmoon said:
thranx said:

So you agree with interning muslims around the world and bombing the middle east?

 

I mean even if we are wrong about them the risk to the rest of us if we are right is too great. Get them bombs ready

 

Fear mongering is not the way to win when facts dont work

The measures I'm talking about don't include to kill all the people from a culture/race just because some of them are terrorists, in fact the mesures I'm talking bout don't include killing at all, so the comparison doesn't make much sense.

Most scientifics around the world believe on the climate chnge and most of the measures to combat it are good for the environment and we are gonna need to do something about that sooner or later anyways, why not now? 

because



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thranx said:
pleaserecycle said:

Limiting pollution is the main solution to global warming.  Carbon monoxide (a pollutant) released from burning fossil fuels oxidizes to carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

Not from what I have seen. They want to cap and trade co2, not other gasses. Kyoto talks about co2 and green house gasses, not particle pollution. None of it mentions water.

Carbon monoxide and nitrous oxide are both greenhouse gases and particle pollutants.  When cars, trucks, boats, and other vehicles burn fuel for energy they're emitting carbon monoxide.  It's not healthy for us to breathe and it eventually oxidizes to carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.  Carbon dioxide, like other greenhouse gases, absorbs infrared radiation which increases the surface temperature of the Earth.  In the absence of other variables, a higher concentration of carbon dioxide will always produce greater surface temperatures.  

Cap and trade is a government's response to global warming.  It limits the production of greenhouse gases and encourages the use of alternative resources (wind power, solar power, hydro power).  



Locknuts said:

I hope Trump launches a huge investigation into climate change and we find out the truth. We know that he is a skeptic and has brought in a lot of right wing people, so if they use all their arguments and still deem climate change a big issue, then you know that shit is a serious problem.

Fascinating. So if Trump were to launch an investigation their conclusions would be trustworthy unlike those of the other scientists. Why is that exactly?



Lafiel said:
Goodnightmoon said:

The measures I'm talking about don't include to kill all the people from a culture/race just because some of them are terrorists, in fact the mesures I'm talking bout don't include killing at all, so the comparison doesn't make much sense.

Most scientifics around the world believe on the climate chnge and most of the measures to combat it are good for the environment and we are gonna need to do something about that sooner or later anyways, why not now? 

because

How about taking away power from dangerous-ideology spreading regimes? Wouldn't that solve major problems and limit terrorism?



LurkerJ said:

How about taking away power from dangerous-ideology spreading regimes? Wouldn't that solve major problems and limit terrorism?

but how do you justify an increase in military spending without an enemy?



Lafiel said:
LurkerJ said:

How about taking away power from dangerous-ideology spreading regimes? Wouldn't that solve major problems and limit terrorism?

but how do you justify an increase in military spending without an enemy?

That caught me off guard. Something to think about for sure. Thanks!

It would be great if you expand your own point and spare me the research