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VGPolyglot on 09 December 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
VGPolyglot said:

Circumstances change. Just because they can't support a family now doesn't mean that they weren't able to in the past. However, even if you do lose your job or something like that, it's not like you can just get rid of your children, so they'll probably be doomed into poverty as well because they won't be able to afford good education.

The question is, why should there be poverty in the first place? There are billionaires who are never going to spend even close to what they have, why hoard all of that money?

That's the thing about left wingers like yourself, you focus on situations where people may have lost their job, maybe health issues, and they could no longer support a family.

What I'm telling you is a lot of women start a family with a useless man and no job skills and that's a significant cause of poverty. Statistically many single mother don't even have a high school diploma.

Wealth redistribution doesn't solve poor life decisions, it enables that behavior and eventually you have a country going broke. I mean poverty could go down drastically if people just made better life decisions. But hey, that's just my right wing logic.

I don't support wealth redistribution. I support a system where wealth doesn't need to be redistributed in the first place. I also don't support the existence of states or even money. Instead, I support a system where people work according to their ability and get according to their needs.



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Mr Puggsly on 09 December 2016
VGPolyglot said:

You can't have a capitalist economy with socialist elements. Socialism is against capitalism. What you're thinking of is social democracy, which maintains capitalism while providing certain social services.

Gotta love liberals, always arguing semantics.



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Mr Puggsly on 09 December 2016
VGPolyglot said:
Mr Puggsly said:

That's the thing about left wingers like yourself, you focus on situations where people may have lost their job, maybe health issues, and they could no longer support a family.

What I'm telling you is a lot of women start a family with a useless man and no job skills and that's a significant cause of poverty. Statistically many single mother don't even have a high school diploma.

Wealth redistribution doesn't solve poor life decisions, it enables that behavior and eventually you have a country going broke. I mean poverty could go down drastically if people just made better life decisions. But hey, that's just my right wing logic.

I don't support wealth redistribution. I support a system where wealth doesn't need to be redistributed in the first place. I also don't support the existence of states or even money. Instead, I support a system where people work according to their ability and get according to their needs.

I hear ya, fortunately most of world has realized that's shit.

But there will always be people supporting bad ideas I support your right to have these terrible ideas.



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VGPolyglot on 09 December 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
VGPolyglot said:

You can't have a capitalist economy with socialist elements. Socialism is against capitalism. What you're thinking of is social democracy, which maintains capitalism while providing certain social services.

Gotta love liberals, always arguing semantics.

I'm not a liberal. Social democracy and socialism are completely different from one another, it's not my fault that many people are oblivious or intentionally ignorant of it.



VGPolyglot on 09 December 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
VGPolyglot said:

I don't support wealth redistribution. I support a system where wealth doesn't need to be redistributed in the first place. I also don't support the existence of states or even money. Instead, I support a system where people work according to their ability and get according to their needs.

I hear ya, fortunately most of world has realized that's shit.

But there will always be people supporting bad ideas I support your right to have these terrible ideas.

Yeah, and keep supporting that capitalist system that is destroying the environment, housing child slaves in Thailand, arming multiple factions in perpetual warfare and propping up brutal dictators around the world.



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Mr Puggsly on 09 December 2016
VGPolyglot said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I hear ya, fortunately most of world has realized that's shit.

But there will always be people supporting bad ideas I support your right to have these terrible ideas.

Yeah, and keep supporting that capitalist system that is destroying the environment, housing child slaves in Thailand, arming multiple factions in perpetual warfare and propping up brutal dictators around the world.

I will.

And you enjoy living a comfortable life that capitalism gave you.



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StarDoor on 09 December 2016
VGPolyglot said:
StarDoor said:

I don't have to be in perfect agreement with a pure economic system to prefer it to another. A capitalist economy can have socialist elements within it, and some sort of mixture would be best. History shows that the most intelligent people create the technology, infrastructure, and art that improve the lives of everyone. These people should be incentivized to use their intelligence in socially productive ways, and Communism completely fails to do this.

Forcing people into a life of hardship is not what I support either. My issue with current Western societies is that the nature of the welfare state produces dysgenic fertility in the population. The poorest people in society more often than not lack the intelligence or temperament to be productive. As these traits are highly heritable, they are passed on through the generations, producing a permanent underclass. This gives the appearance of unfairness, but it is just the reality of genetics. Everyone in a society is worse off, intelligent or not, the lower the average IQ is.  Sensible welfare policies should be tailored to encourage fertility among smart, conscientious people, and this can be done in a completely voluntary manner. The only reason no government does this (besides China) is because of the involuntary eugenics practiced by unsavory regimes in the past, and the baffling refusal to accept reality among the egalitarian left, which believes that all humans are identical blank slates.

1.) You can't have a capitalist economy with socialist elements. Socialism is against capitalism. What you're thinking of is social democracy, which maintains capitalism while providing certain social services.

2.) Your second paragraph confuses me: are you supporting social darwinism? Do you believe that we should also only allow certain races that are deemed superior to breed while sterilizing the others?

1.) Can we please stop with the pedantry? What is your argument? "It's only Socialism if it's pure"? Even Wikipedia groups "Social Democracy" into the Socialism category.

2.) Alright, you're clearly being dense on purpose. Not only did I not say anything about race, I specifically said voluntary measures could be taken. You don't need to forcibly sterilize people to stop dysgenics. You could have income tax credits to intelligent people who have kids, maternal leave for women (or even discouraging intelligent women from wasting their limited window of fertility in the workforce), free contraception and abortions for poor people, etc.

Your "superior breeds" and "social darwinism" nonsense is just vapid emotional rhetoric. "Oooooh, Hitler existed, therefore we must pass on a worse genetic legacy with each generation!"



VGPolyglot on 09 December 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yeah, and keep supporting that capitalist system that is destroying the environment, housing child slaves in Thailand, arming multiple factions in perpetual warfare and propping up brutal dictators around the world.

I will.

And you enjoy living a comfortable life that capitalism gave you.

And I can only live as comfortably as I can due to working class revolts in the 1920s-1930s that forced the elites to give certain standards of living.



VGPolyglot on 09 December 2016
StarDoor said:
VGPolyglot said:

1.) You can't have a capitalist economy with socialist elements. Socialism is against capitalism. What you're thinking of is social democracy, which maintains capitalism while providing certain social services.

2.) Your second paragraph confuses me: are you supporting social darwinism? Do you believe that we should also only allow certain races that are deemed superior to breed while sterilizing the others?

1.) Can we please stop with the pedantry? What is your argument? "It's only Socialism if it's pure"? Even Wikipedia groups "Social Democracy" into the Socialism category.

2.) Alright, you're clearly being dense on purpose. Not only did I not say anything about race, I specifically said voluntary measures could be taken. You don't need to forcibly sterilize people to stop dysgenics. You could have income tax credits to intelligent people who have kids, maternal leave for women (or even discouraging intelligent women from wasting their limited window of fertility in the workforce), free contraception and abortions for poor people, etc.

Your "superior breeds" and "social darwinism" nonsense is just vapid emotional rhetoric. "Oooooh, Hitler existed, therefore we must pass on a worse genetic legacy with each generation!"

1. That's because many of the original social democrats saw that as a way to transition to socialism. The vast majority of social democrats these days do not want to transition to socialism

2. So basically, you want poor people to have less children. Do you know that ethnic minorities are generally poorer than whites? That's why I mentioned races: because certain will inevitably be targeted, intentionally or unintentionally.



Mr Puggsly on 09 December 2016
VGPolyglot said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I will.

And you enjoy living a comfortable life that capitalism gave you.

And I can only live as comfortably as I can due to working class revolts in the 1920s-1930s that forced the elites to give certain standards of living.

Just be glad their revolts didn't lead to communism. You'd be swimming to capitalist countries.



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