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JRPGfan said:

Look at how brexit turned out....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-blame-100-billion-budget-black-hole-deficit-autumn-statement-philip-hammond-a7422141.html

This year they are in a 100£ bn "black hole of deficit".
And their economy will takes years and years to recover. They arnt even out of EU yet.


Its not hard for me to imagine Trump does something silly... and ends up wrecking the american economy.

Like that protectivism plan of his, and the planned trade war with china.

If I'm the EU I'd tell Britain to go fuck themselves if they think they are getting single market access to boot. 

You want a divorce, then have the divorce, you don't get to come over and sleep at the house if you want a divorce. 



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Soundwave said:
Stefan.De.Machtige said:

Put an end to it...? It's .gov who designed that debt machine, and they want those people inslaved for live. The more plan fails, the more the planners plan.

Government doesn't design the "debt machine". Investors do. Lots of rich people make lots of money from debt interest. They'll loan you money, sure. You just have to sign over your life to them and pay them for the rest of your life if you want a college education, a house, a car, and want to be able to step foot into a hospital if you're sick or dying. 

This is how the economy works. 

IMO there should be much more restrictive regulations on things like for-profit education and health care. These are not fields that need to be for profit. If you want to start a fucking business making donughts or whatever, fine, great, be an entreprenuer. But slashing regulations on things like health care and education is basically giving corporations a green light to go ahead and rape people for the privelege of going to school or getting treatment of anything. 

Take out the profit motive from these sectors, it's disgusting and amoral. No child should have to go to a paid private school just to get a decent education, many people can't pay their rent/mortgage as is, now Trump is doing this while promising huge tax breaks for the wealthiest. This is ridiculous. This is not change at all, it's an acceleration of everything that's already wrong.  

Eh, investors didn't make laws that say student debt can only be discharged untill death, did they? Those (banking) investors bought .gov and had them put in this financial system because .gov is for sale on all levels. Hell, that goes back to 1913 with the FED creation.

Regulations help...? Then why did the USA have a proper education systeem before this big bloated, fascist government came by. This is all the regulation that is needed:

Parents want good schools if they have a brain > check out market > decide which fits their standards and situation > send kid to school (x each year)

Nothing more.



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Soundwave said:
JRPGfan said:

Look at how brexit turned out....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-blame-100-billion-budget-black-hole-deficit-autumn-statement-philip-hammond-a7422141.html

This year they are in a 100£ bn "black hole of deficit".
And their economy will takes years and years to recover. They arnt even out of EU yet.


Its not hard for me to imagine Trump does something silly... and ends up wrecking the american economy.

Like that protectivism plan of his, and the planned trade war with china.

If I'm the EU I'd tell Britain to go fuck themselves if they think they are getting single market access to boot. 

You want a divorce, then have the divorce, you don't get to come over and sleep at the house if you want a divorce. 

EU has to do this, because France are thinking about leaveing too.

IF EU is to survive we need france to stay, and the best deterant from others leaveing, is to show them it ends up costing you.

Which means EU is going to have to screw over britain, to show others, you get bad trade deals if you leave.



Soundwave said:

Government doesn't design the "debt machine". Investors do. Lots of rich people make lots of money from debt interest. They'll loan you money, sure. You just have to sign over your life to them and pay them for the rest of your life if you want a college education, a house, a car, and want to be able to step foot into a hospital if you're sick or dying. 

This is how the economy works. 

IMO there should be much more restrictive regulations on things like for-profit education and health care. These are not fields that need to be for profit. If you want to start a fucking business making donughts or whatever, fine, great, be an entreprenuer. But slashing regulations on things like health care and education is basically giving corporations a green light to go ahead and rape people for the privelege of going to school or getting treatment of anything. 

Take out the profit motive from these sectors, it's disgusting and amoral. No child should have to go to a paid private school just to get a decent education, many people can't pay their rent/mortgage as is, now Trump is doing this while promising huge tax breaks for the wealthiest. This is ridiculous. This is not change at all, it's an acceleration of everything that's already wrong.  

Why don't we pay teachers zero dollars while we're at it then, public or private ... 



Stefan.De.Machtige said:
Soundwave said:

Government doesn't design the "debt machine". Investors do. Lots of rich people make lots of money from debt interest. They'll loan you money, sure. You just have to sign over your life to them and pay them for the rest of your life if you want a college education, a house, a car, and want to be able to step foot into a hospital if you're sick or dying. 

This is how the economy works. 

IMO there should be much more restrictive regulations on things like for-profit education and health care. These are not fields that need to be for profit. If you want to start a fucking business making donughts or whatever, fine, great, be an entreprenuer. But slashing regulations on things like health care and education is basically giving corporations a green light to go ahead and rape people for the privelege of going to school or getting treatment of anything. 

Take out the profit motive from these sectors, it's disgusting and amoral. No child should have to go to a paid private school just to get a decent education, many people can't pay their rent/mortgage as is, now Trump is doing this while promising huge tax breaks for the wealthiest. This is ridiculous. This is not change at all, it's an acceleration of everything that's already wrong.  

Eh, investors didn't make laws that say student debt can only be discharged untill death, did they? Those (banking) investors bought .gov and had them put in this financial system because .gov is for sale on all levels. Hell, that goes back to 1913 with the FED creation.

Regulations help...? Then why did the USA have a proper education systeem before this big bloated, fascist government came by. This is all the regulation that is needed:

Parents want good schools if they have a brain > check out market > decide which fits their standards and situation > send kid to school (x each year)

Nothing more.

In Europe this type of thing has tighter regulations. That's how it should be. 

And what about those parents that can't afford to send their kids to a snotty nosed private school. Fuck them, I guess, right? The "market" is great if you have money, like most things are. 

Anyone with a "half a brain" can see what's happening here. This billionaire lady got this job because she paid $10 million to the Trump campaign, and she didn't pay $10 million for milk and cookies. She paid $10 million so that in event of a Trump win, she could have a posh high end post like this one where she can cash in off for-profit private school lobbyists who want people to pay big bucks to get a decent education even when they are just children. 

Her $10 million gamble on Trump is now likely going to net her tens of millions more because these private school lobbies will be funding her with tons of money as they stand to hit the jackpot by forcing citizens to have to pay big dollars for a decent education. 

If you think that's fine, great, I think it's disgusting and fairly transparently so. 



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fatslob-:O said:
Soundwave said:

Why don't we pay teachers zero dollars while we're at it then, public or private ... 

Teachers pay is not why the cost of a education in the US is so expensive.

Other countries have free education for everyone, and do so by public schools, and takeing it via tax from its citizens.

That is the easy solution to this mess, and benefits the most people.



JRPGfan said:

Teachers pay is not why the cost of a education in the US is so expensive.

Other countries have free education for everyone, and do so by public schools, and takeing it via tax from its citizens.

That is the easy solution to this mess, and benefits the most people.

What a naive view of reality ... 

The US also has free schools and most of it's budget is spent on none other than damn teachers! (67% all blown on compensation and benefits!)



How come Europeans figured a way out of this mess long ago and the US hasn't followed suit?



LurkerJ said:
How come Europeans figured a way out of this mess long ago and the US hasn't followed suit?



Did some people really say none of this really matters? Wow.. just wow.

It's like saying you dont mind a janitor doing brain surgery cos his/her past skill/experience doesnt matter.