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SvennoJ said:
setsunatenshi said:
stupid opinion piece... emulation is probably the only real way old games will ever remain playable for future generations. what kind of lost revenue is being had exactly by emulation?

i have full collections of games from the 8 bit, 16 bit and 32 bit eras taking terabytes of space in one of my hard drives. sure every now and then I might feel like playing 1 or 2 of those games just for nostalgia's sake, but most importantly, I want to be sure that no matter what happens in the future, if I or any of my (possible) kids will want to know what it was like back then, I have access to most if not all legacy games without having to buy a new house to store original hardware and software that sooner or later will stop working anyway.

does that stop me from spending probably much more money in gaming per year than 99% of the population? hell no

Prepare to be disappointed (with kids). I have plenty old games too, yet they are far more interested to play with old hardware instead of trying old games on new systems. And even that is very limited. Shiny new games, especially those seen on you tube, is what they want. Same with movies. I have well over a 1000 movies on dvd and blu-ray, spanning 6 decades, plenty of fantasy and cartoons, and all they want to watch is the same few modern ones over and over!

The title is clickbait, it's not killing anything. The questions in the article are legitimate though, why are games treated differently. Why does the movie archive https://archive.org/details/moviesandfilms have to bother with copyrights and not any game archives?

I would say, maybe going forward, the publishers will be better about preserving their older titles and not require consumers to permanently carry on decades old hardware in order to enjoy the games they purchased. That is one of the main reasons why I feel going all digital may be really good. The same way like you can still play PC games from windows 95 era and even purchase them on Steam to play on your modern computer, the console side of gaming should adapt and I really do think it finally is to this reality. I really do expect at least Sony and Microsoft to have a permanent backwards compatibility since they adopted X86 architecture as a standard, and unless there is a massive computational standard change in the future, there should be no reason why my digital Bloodborne copy shouldn't work on my PS5, 6 or 7.

And also there should be no reason why I should purchase the same game multiple times in order to play it on a new hardware. That's on them as publishers, not on us as consumers.

The movie industry had exactly the same problems since the golden age, many movies that once existed are now lost forever. Thanks to emulation, the same will never happen to our golden age of gaming.



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Chazore said:

Figured someone was going to post some anti PC news, didn't take much to figure out who though.

Emulation keeps games from the past running today,e specially for those companies that forcefully kill said games. You cannot nor should not kill a part of history, like it or not. There are reasons why we archive films, music , seeds and all sorts of other items and objects throughout history, games should be no different. I sure as hell don't want to keep paying up to play Resident Evil 1 till I'm 80, those that support that logic can jog on for all I care.

Also as Kapi already pointed out, used sales can also be just as damaging.


I can't wait for the next piece from OP that paints PC in some dirty way.

In no way did OP talk about PC, why so defensive mang.

Most emulation happens on mobile now anyway.



When I was a teenager I emulated games and had pirate games, because I was a poor kid who did not know better.
Now I would never do it, but, about killing the industry, it seems to be alive and well to me.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

Turkish said:

Most emulation happens on mobile now anyway.

I find that hard to believe.  Got any data to back that up?



Turkish said:

In no way did OP talk about PC, why so defensive mang.

Most emulation happens on mobile now anyway.

If you've followed Ruler you'd notice by now mang.

Also like CladInShadows said, got any data to back all that up?.



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Turkish said:
Chazore said:

Figured someone was going to post some anti PC news, didn't take much to figure out who though.

Emulation keeps games from the past running today,e specially for those companies that forcefully kill said games. You cannot nor should not kill a part of history, like it or not. There are reasons why we archive films, music , seeds and all sorts of other items and objects throughout history, games should be no different. I sure as hell don't want to keep paying up to play Resident Evil 1 till I'm 80, those that support that logic can jog on for all I care.

Also as Kapi already pointed out, used sales can also be just as damaging.


I can't wait for the next piece from OP that paints PC in some dirty way.

In no way did OP talk about PC, why so defensive mang.

Most emulation happens on mobile now anyway.

This thread is in the PC forum, and by someone known to troll/derail PC threads.



CladInShadows said:
Turkish said:

Most emulation happens on mobile now anyway.

I find that hard to believe.  Got any data to back that up?

 

Chazore said:
Turkish said:

In no way did OP talk about PC, why so defensive mang.

Most emulation happens on mobile now anyway.

If you've followed Ruler you'd notice by now mang.

Also like CladInShadows said, got any data to back all that up?.

The data being that mobile is the most popular platform now. I see kids playing emus on their phones, not pcs, hell most kids dont even have pcs anymore let alone game on them. The most buzz, asked and talked about emus I see around the net seem to be for the mobile versions.



Turkish said:
CladInShadows said:

I find that hard to believe.  Got any data to back that up?

 

Chazore said:

If you've followed Ruler you'd notice by now mang.

Also like CladInShadows said, got any data to back all that up?.

The data being that mobile is the most popular platform now. I see kids playing emus on their phones, not pcs, hell most kids dont even have pcs anymore let alone game on them. The most buzz, asked and talked about emus I see around the net seem to be for the mobile versions.

That hasn't said, nor given us data on emulating games from all other platforms though...

I know 10 kids in my lfie that use their PC's to play games, where you are from is different, but there are kids that still use PC's. Hell the kid enxt door got into PC gaming because he watched me play AoE II and got into the game and the platform over the years.

Still waiting on that chart data, and not articles from 4 years ago either.



Step right up come on in, feel the buzz in your veins, I'm like an chemical electrical right into your brain and I'm the one who killed the Radio, soon you'll all see

So pay up motherfuckers you belong to "V"

Emulation is a bit of a double-edged sword, but I don't see it causing any great harm to anyone. Sure, there are games that people often emulate that could also be bought legally from one of the console market places or Steam for example, but I'm not sure how many of those who emulate would otherwise even consider getting those games in the first place.

More importantly, emulation is often the only way certain games can even be played today without actually owning the original releases of those specific games. This is the result of most developers in the past not really seeing much worth in archiving their games after they were past their original run on the market. As such, many games were simply lost to time and are very hard to come by these days. As such, most people's only option is to turn to emulation if they want to try out some old game themselves without paying ludicrous amounts of money for them.



setsunatenshi said:

I would say, maybe going forward, the publishers will be better about preserving their older titles and not require consumers to permanently carry on decades old hardware in order to enjoy the games they purchased. That is one of the main reasons why I feel going all digital may be really good. The same way like you can still play PC games from windows 95 era and even purchase them on Steam to play on your modern computer, the console side of gaming should adapt and I really do think it finally is to this reality. I really do expect at least Sony and Microsoft to have a permanent backwards compatibility since they adopted X86 architecture as a standard, and unless there is a massive computational standard change in the future, there should be no reason why my digital Bloodborne copy shouldn't work on my PS5, 6 or 7.

And also there should be no reason why I should purchase the same game multiple times in order to play it on a new hardware. That's on them as publishers, not on us as consumers.

The movie industry had exactly the same problems since the golden age, many movies that once existed are now lost forever. Thanks to emulation, the same will never happen to our golden age of gaming.

It used to be the same with movies and other media, buy again to play on new hardware. 8-track, Laserdisc, MUSE hi-vision, 8mm projectors, the hardware isn't made anymore. You can still buy record players, casette decks and VCRs, yet no more Betamax, Video 2000, HD-DVD playes.

You used to buy the format as much as the content. Nowadays there is a shift towards buying a license to the content only. No more right of first sale, but the right to view it on anything. Although I don't think buying a digital 1080p movie gives you the right to watch the 4K version? I don't know.

The distinction is still there, only digital games are cross-buy, cross-gen. While physical games give you the right to resell. So yes, for modern digital games you can claim that you should be able to keep enjoying the content on new hardware. For old physical games, that holds no ground. But agreed, it would be nice if publishers took more care of their back catalog. No reason nowadays not to offer a way to play them on modern hardware. I'm glad we have services like gog.com. And I wouldn't mind if console emulators get their stuff sorted out and officially offer the roms at a small compensation to further improve the software and catalog.