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I have bought every game I can possibly buy from nintendo before emulating. And if I don't own a game I am currently emulating, it means I owned it before, but lost it (HGSS).

As long as you are still supporting the developers in some way, I say go for it.



 

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lol certainly not and the comparison between Dizzy and Jurassic Park is beyond stupid.
In 1993, neither Blurays nor DVDs existed. People pirating the movie now are NOT pirating the 1993 version (VHS rip or LaserDisc rip) they are pirating the DVD version from 2000 or the BluRay version from 2011. These versions are still being sold, while Dizzy is completely unavailable to buy.

Also you copy/pasted the whole article, which is a copyright violation in itself. Linked or not, but that's okay I guess?



I'll be honest I didn't read much of that but no.

Is the industry really dependant on reselling 20 year old games?



Barozi said:

lol certainly not and the comparison between Dizzy and Jurassic Park is beyond stupid.
In 1993, neither Blurays nor DVDs existed. People pirating the movie now are NOT pirating the 1993 version (VHS rip or LaserDisc rip) they are pirating the DVD version from 2000 or the BluRay version from 2011. These versions are still being sold, while Dizzy is completely unavailable to buy.

Also you copy/pasted the whole article, which is a copyright violation in itself. Linked or not, but that's okay I guess?

Let's make the comparison a bit more fair then.

Is it OK to emulate old DOS titles that have been remastered, even if you own the original game?
You still get the enhancements of an emulator plus you think everyone is only emulating the version they had 20 years ago?
Lots of old classics are appearing on mobile platforms, sure it's not exactly the same game anymore, yet you can't get the original version of star wars anymore either. Is it OK to pirate it?

It's not harming the gaming industry, yet let's not pretend people are only emulating games they own and those that can't be found anywhere anymore on any platform as remaster/remake or part of a collection.

And DIzzy? You can buy it here
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dnastudios.dizzypoty&hl=en
Or the originals
http://www.ebay.co.uk/bhp/dizzy-game



I tell ya what really hurts the industry. Its too many games.

Some threads ago, it was about most expensive games or sth, ive read someone wrote "butt thaz jusd marketin". No, that is not just marketing. That is the price of too many games. Why do people think marketing budgets got as big as they are? because every nitwit nowadays can "program" a game. in this dark blood red ocean, too stand out you have to get some of that sweet attention that starts it all.

no emulation software for some old withered system could even dream causing the amount of damage done by the overcrowded virtual shelves. Retro? You wish! This is regress!

Have to get off the train now...



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Of course.



Eurogamer is wrong.
The effect of Emulation has to be so small its next to nothing.

 

Nem said:
Unless its emulating current tech, i don't see how it can.

^ this. As long as its a gen or two behinde, the impact will be next to nothing.



I don't use ROMs or emulators myself.

If old games were as accessible and affordable as old movies I think I would go back more. With so many games to play on current (Vita/PS4) systems hard for me to think about replaying or playing NES or SNES games.



SvennoJ said:
Barozi said:

lol certainly not and the comparison between Dizzy and Jurassic Park is beyond stupid.
In 1993, neither Blurays nor DVDs existed. People pirating the movie now are NOT pirating the 1993 version (VHS rip or LaserDisc rip) they are pirating the DVD version from 2000 or the BluRay version from 2011. These versions are still being sold, while Dizzy is completely unavailable to buy.

Also you copy/pasted the whole article, which is a copyright violation in itself. Linked or not, but that's okay I guess?

Let's make the comparison a bit more fair then.

Is it OK to emulate old DOS titles that have been remastered, even if you own the original game?
You still get the enhancements of an emulator plus you think everyone is only emulating the version they had 20 years ago?
Lots of old classics are appearing on mobile platforms, sure it's not exactly the same game anymore, yet you can't get the original version of star wars anymore either. Is it OK to pirate it?

It's not harming the gaming industry, yet let's not pretend people are only emulating games they own and those that can't be found anywhere anymore on any platform as remaster/remake or part of a collection.

And DIzzy? You can buy it here
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dnastudios.dizzypoty&hl=en
Or the originals
http://www.ebay.co.uk/bhp/dizzy-game

Dizzy in its original form is not available for sale. At least not from the IP holder. 2nd hand is completely irrelevant. The IP holder won't get a single cent from these sales.

"Everyone knows that downloading a 1993 movie would be piracy, so why treat games from the same year any differently?"
That was the point in the article I was trying to counter. Games are NOT being treated differently because emulators emulate the original game, not a remaster or a super late port that are available to purchase. People nowadays don't pirate VHS versions, they pirate versions that are still available in stores.

"you think everyone is only emulating the version they had 20 years ago?"
Wow where did you get that from? If it's not possible anymore to buy the original game from the IP holder then it's completely irrelevant if you owned the game at one point or not. What else should you do? Wait for the IP holder to rerelease it on floppy discs/cartridges/cassette tapes?



Yeah, no. Emulation is barely a pimple on the ass of the video gaming industry. If you think it's killing the industry, you need to be brought back to reality. I swear that a lot of the emulation detractors really have no idea what they're talking about.

1. Emulation takes such computing power that it's nearly impossible to keep up with the technology of today's games. Currently, we're only able to emulate PS2/Wii level games. Technology that stopped being cutting edge 10 years ago. And even that isn't perfect emulation on all games. We won't be able to emulate 7th gen games for many years. And 8th gen? We're not gonna see that for a LONG time. Please tell me how much money Sunsoft is losing by me going and downloading Journey to Silius for the NES. I'll wait. I bet that really killed the games industry.

2. There's this idiotic mindset that emulation is synonymous with piracy. It isn't. Right now I'm playing Dragon Quest 8 on my PC, with my physical copy sitting on my shelf, and my original fat PS3 (with PS2 capabilities). Same thing with the original Xenoblade. My disc and Wii are sitting there on my shelf. I've given Nintendo, Sony, Square-Enix, and Monolith my money already. Why do I play it on the PC instead of original hardware? I can give you 1080 reasons. And anyone getting an NES classic better be down with emulation, because that's all it is. And virtual console, and many games found on today's digital stores, etc. All emulation, with no piracy.

3. The vast majority of games being emulated and/or pirated are no longer available from the original developer/publisher, meant to be played on hardware that is no longer sold new. If you go buy your physical copy of Dragon Quest 8 right now (perfectly legal), and grab a used PS2 to play it on, Square doesn't doesn't get a single penny. Neither does Sony. Some dude on ebay does. I'm not condoning piracy. I like to own the games I emulate. But I'm just being realistic when it comes to the financial impact it has on the industry. Publishers see no money no matter how you play these old games.