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vivster on 08 November 2016
Ruler said:

To see how absurd the situation is, you need only look at the other material hosted on the Internet Archive. You won't be finding any Hollywood movies from the 1980s and 1990s in the film section of the site, only public domain curiosities. Die Hard, Jurassic Park and Pulp Fiction are not available to stream or download, because that would clearly be piracy and would make Internet Archive no better than a disreputable torrent site. Yet copyrighted games from the same period are, it seems, fair game. Does that make sense?

It's this refusal to even acknowledge the issue that troubles me most, because sooner or later it will bite all of us in our 8-bit butts. I'm certainly not putting myself on a moral pedestal - I'm a retro gamer, I have used emulators and I continue to use emulators. It feels different when an individual does it, but I'm very aware that's really just a semantic dodge. As a community, this is something we all need to stop skirting around because, frankly, we're devaluing the very medium we profess to love.

Doesn't even touch the core of the problem. The constant comparison with movies just shows that.

You know what the difference is? Movies are still being offered and monetized while games from that time aren't. They're basically dead media that the companies are sitting on doing nothing with it. You know what should happen to those things like all copyright material? It should expire.

Emulators and piracy are the only reason why most younger people even know some IPs. And you know what they do then? Trying to find new material of it. Consumers have shown time and time again that they're willing to pay if there is a fair and convenient offer. If Emulators were really that big of an issue then the NES classic would sell nothing.

I propose to you that the sales of the NES Classic would be only half if it wasn't for emulators.



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vivster on 08 November 2016
Ruler said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Such as buying used copies of the games/consoles (like I said), the devs don`t get money for that though and if they refuse to re-release their games on modern platforms so they could actually earn revenue from them then I have no reason whatsoever to feel sympathy for them.

Look at the article this site is offering R-Type, a game which is avaibl in google play store, PS3, 360 and on Wii U now too. SF2 same story

So we have 2 games out of thousands. Well I guess that solves the problem then.



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Ruler on 08 November 2016
Chazore said:

Figured someone was going to post some anti PC news, didn't take much to figure out who though.

Emulation keeps games from the past running today,e specially for those companies that forcefully kill said games. You cannot nor should not kill a part of history, like it or not. There are reasons why we archive films, music , seeds and all sorts of other items and objects throughout history, games should be no different. I sure as hell don't want to keep paying up to play Resident Evil 1 till I'm 80, those that support that logic can jog on for all I care.

Also as Kapi already pointed out, used sales can also be just as damaging.


I can't wait for the next piece from OP that paints PC in some dirty way.

How are used game hurting the industry? There is only so much as you can buy as there are copies avaible. Used games enventually drive prices up and forces the publishers to rerelease a game, this has happened a lot often times its proven. So you dont want to pay for a great classic like RE1 when you turn 80 but still want to pay for movies Indiana Jones or Jurassic Park by that time? 

Just like the athor says seems that someone takes advantage from the weaker established medium.

And yes this emulation culture is hurting the gaming industry, thats why you see all these new games coming out which heaviliy rely on MP, DLC, Microtransactions, always Online etc. Because brining out games who are a devoloped like a finished product instead of a service arent successfull in the long run unlike movies 



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TallSilhouette on 08 November 2016

I'd pay more attention to the top comments in that article you posted than the article itself.



Chazore on 08 November 2016
Ruler said:
Chazore said:

Figured someone was going to post some anti PC news, didn't take much to figure out who though.

Emulation keeps games from the past running today,e specially for those companies that forcefully kill said games. You cannot nor should not kill a part of history, like it or not. There are reasons why we archive films, music , seeds and all sorts of other items and objects throughout history, games should be no different. I sure as hell don't want to keep paying up to play Resident Evil 1 till I'm 80, those that support that logic can jog on for all I care.

Also as Kapi already pointed out, used sales can also be just as damaging.


I can't wait for the next piece from OP that paints PC in some dirty way.

How are used game hurting the industry? There is only so much as you can buy as there are copies avaible. Used games enventually drive prices up and forces the publishers to rerelease a game, this has happened a lot often times its proven. So you dont want to pay for a great classic like RE1 when you turn 80 but still want to pay for movies Indiana Jones or Jurassic Park by that time? 

Just like the athor says seems that someone takes advantage from the weaker established medium.

And yes this emulation culture is hurting the gaming industry, thats why you see all these new games coming out which heaviliy rely on MP, DLC, Microtransactions, always Online etc. Because brining out games who are a devoloped like a finished product instead of a service arent successfull in the long run unlike movies 

I like how you're climbing that high horse and the end part is basically pinning emulation on a single platform from all those insanely greedy business practices.

 

I don't even.

 

Ruler I know you claim you were an "ex" PC gamer, but you never cease to amaze me to the core on just how much you want to paint the platform. Every article from you has had some way or another when it comes to painting the negatives of PC gaming. I can easily guess the next article related to PC gaming from you as being negative.

I'm not a big fan of PS4 or X1, but you don't see me scour the net to try and copy+paste entire articles of bad news for them.



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Chazore on 08 November 2016
TallSilhouette said:
I'd pay more attention to the top comments in that article you posted than the article itself.

The top highly voted comments made more sense than what he's trying to say. Even those in the comments section that were down voted were more or less in his line of thought.



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Nem on 08 November 2016

Unless its emulating current tech, i don't see how it can.



vivster on 08 November 2016

A lot of things are hurting a lot of things. Did you hear about that secret plot by big corporations to hurt piracy? They call it DRM and it hurts everyone.

 

I really don't know what you gain by victimizing multibillion dollar corporations.



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SvennoJ on 08 November 2016

Emulating is not killing anything, yet I wonder what will happen in the future with this subject.

Most old games are hard to get nowadays, yet still have plenty collector's value. Last week I saw Link to the past for $110 for example. Yes, you can still find a lot of games if you take the effort, but the internet grants instant gratification, for free. That's hard to compete with.

Fast forward to today, most games are available digitally now and have no reason to expire. Does this mean the end of emulation from last gen onwards? No more excuse for ps3, 360, wii emulators, until the systems can't be found anymore. However with BC that excuse doesn't fly either.

Btw copyright on published games in 95 years... It will be a while until games legally hit public domain.



SuperNova on 08 November 2016

I think something that is often overlooked is that emulation does not neccessissarily mean piracy.
I've emulated games before, just because I was too lazy dig my old consoles out and play the actual copys I own. Thats not a lost sale. I spent my money on these games already.

Also seeing the success of rereleases/remasters and digital legacy releases (virtual console, Ps1 and 2 on psn) I'd say the industry is fine.