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Leadified on 31 August 2016
Ganoncrotch said:
Leadified said:

I've heard of things like that happening in Japan with people having some pretty meaningless jobs just so they aren't unemployed, or you have more people than required just to work on a simple task just to have them doing something. It's a bit suprising to hear this starting to crop up in European countries.

What the Gov here does too now is they've started schemes to return people to work, basically if a company has 20 employees they can request a gov paid intern for up to 3 years work placement, basically the worker gets experience and a 9-5 job but the wage is paid by the Gov not the company so they just offer experience and they get the worker for it...

Of course what has started to happen more and more now is if there is an actual position in a company going, rather than offering a salery and creating a job they will instead go for this option which still is just a drain on the Tax system just to make it appear that someone isn't "unemployed" it wasn't bad when it wasn't creating jobs... but now it is actually costing real jobs, it's taking the piss completely.

Yeah unfortunately it seems like another one of those good ideas that got corrupted as soon as people figured out how to exploit the system. Eventually the pendulum will swing the other way and people will want to cut everything until we're back to square one. It's a shame but that's reality.



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LadyJasmine on 31 August 2016
Soundwave said:
Yeah but illegal immigrants cost us 1/1000th of what these corporations do. Lets be mad at them instead.

Does Apple stab random people on the train? 



Leadified on 31 August 2016
WolfpackN64 said:
Ganoncrotch said:

Ireland literally bends over and offers not only a chance to fuck our country but also a way to get into the EU market via the same hole. Would you turn it down?

Sure I agree that it is shit... but I think Apple would be daft not to take up the offer, Ireland make it so profitable for them here, I'm just shocked our Gov hasn't started offering Child Labour to companies who are willing to come here.

Disgraced at my Country, literally.

Fair point. Profits before people in their eyes.

It almost wouldn't be such a big problem if cronyism wasn't so widespread. It's really only going to get worse on the path we're headed as the population continues to age.



Lawlight on 31 August 2016
Soundwave said:
Yeah but illegal immigrants cost us 1/1000th of what these corporations do. Lets be mad at them instead.

Blame both. One dodgier conduct doesn't excuse another. Also, $113B is the cost of illegal immigrants in the US yearly.



WolfpackN64 on 01 September 2016
Leadified said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Fair point. Profits before people in their eyes.

It almost wouldn't be such a big problem if cronyism wasn't so widespread. It's really only going to get worse on the path we're headed as the population continues to age.

It's inherent of a capitalist system. If we want this solved, we'll need to change the system entirely.



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LadyJasmine on 01 September 2016
WolfpackN64 said:
Leadified said:

It almost wouldn't be such a big problem if cronyism wasn't so widespread. It's really only going to get worse on the path we're headed as the population continues to age.

It's inherent of a capitalist system. If we want this solved, we'll need to change the system entirely.

 

I was find it hilarious people say capitalism sucks, yet every country that is seen as the best has capitalism.

 

The flaw is not capitalism, the flaw is how much of a role government plays in capitalism.

 

Reality is big government is wasteftul and not effective and becomes power hungary. Big business has no compassion or heart or any sense of purpose to a greater purpose. 



WolfpackN64 on 01 September 2016
LadyJasmine said:
WolfpackN64 said:

It's inherent of a capitalist system. If we want this solved, we'll need to change the system entirely.

 

I was find it hilarious people say capitalism sucks, yet every country that is seen as the best has capitalism.

 

The flaw is not capitalism, the flaw is how much of a role government plays in capitalism.

 

Reality is big government is wasteftul and not effective and becomes power hungary. Big business has no compassion or heart or any sense of purpose to a greater purpose. 

Capitalism is faulty to the core. Most countries in the world are capitalist yet there are vast differences between them. It's the worldsystemanalysis basically. Some countries are rich to the detriment of others.

Big or small government is a non-issue, imperialism is alwayst the highest form of capitalism, stemming forth from monopolies which form in such a system.



LadyJasmine on 01 September 2016
WolfpackN64 said:
LadyJasmine said:

 

I was find it hilarious people say capitalism sucks, yet every country that is seen as the best has capitalism.

 

The flaw is not capitalism, the flaw is how much of a role government plays in capitalism.

 

Reality is big government is wasteftul and not effective and becomes power hungary. Big business has no compassion or heart or any sense of purpose to a greater purpose. 

Capitalism is faulty to the core. Most countries in the world are capitalist yet there are vast differences between them. It's the worldsystemanalysis basically. Some countries are rich to the detriment of others.

Big or small government is a non-issue, imperialism is alwayst the highest form of capitalism, stemming forth from monopolies which form in such a system.

Some countries are socialist and there is big differences between them. 

Weak government allow monopolies to form.

Big govnerment aka Communism has caused far more negative effects then Capitalism. 

I do think capitalism is flawed but I have far more faith  in it then in some central planned big government control over the people over every basic aspect of thier lives. 

There is no real plan apart from a capitalist/socialist mix system. 



thismeintiel on 01 September 2016
WolfpackN64 said:
LadyJasmine said:

 

I was find it hilarious people say capitalism sucks, yet every country that is seen as the best has capitalism.

 

The flaw is not capitalism, the flaw is how much of a role government plays in capitalism.

 

Reality is big government is wasteftul and not effective and becomes power hungary. Big business has no compassion or heart or any sense of purpose to a greater purpose. 

Capitalism is faulty to the core. Most countries in the world are capitalist yet there are vast differences between them. It's the worldsystemanalysis basically. Some countries are rich to the detriment of others.

Big or small government is a non-issue, imperialism is alwayst the highest form of capitalism, stemming forth from monopolies which form in such a system.

Big or small government is not an issue?  Bwahaha! Where do you think the cronyism comes from?  Without a big government that influences aspects of our lives that they shouldn't even touch, there would be no cronyism.  They wouldn't have the power to influence businesses or change the laws to favor certain companies, they would only have the power and objective to prosecute those who break the law.  And even that isn't perfect, as they could choose to go after one law breaker and not the other, but they would still have to break the law in the first place.  And it wouldn't allow a large government to stack the laws against smaller companies.



 

WolfpackN64 on 01 September 2016
LadyJasmine said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Capitalism is faulty to the core. Most countries in the world are capitalist yet there are vast differences between them. It's the worldsystemanalysis basically. Some countries are rich to the detriment of others.

Big or small government is a non-issue, imperialism is alwayst the highest form of capitalism, stemming forth from monopolies which form in such a system.

Some countries are socialist and there is big differences between them. 

Weak government allow monopolies to form.

Big govnerment aka Communism has caused far more negative effects then Capitalism. 

I do think capitalism is flawed but I have far more faith  in it then in some central planned big government control over the people over every basic aspect of thier lives. 

There is no real plan apart from a capitalist/socialist mix system. 

Communism in sé is not about planning everything in society. That's authoritarian communism. But communism is about giving people the real control over the economy and putting key industries to use for the public good. Capitalism will have to go, one way or another.