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DonFerrari said:

 

binary solo said:
I think white people should be in the forefront of not thinking about race at all. The world will be better off when we stop dividing people according to race. And since most (but not all) racial oppression has been carried out at the hands of white people then it's white people who need to take a lead trying to create a post-racial world.

I am neither proud of my race nor am I ashamed. No one has achieved anything BECAUSE they were white, so of what is there to be proud of whiteness? It's not whiteness that enables great discoveries and achievements in the arts and sciences. To claim it is whiteness that contributes to this is, by definition, racist, because it suggests that by mere skin tone you have a superior capacity to achieve great things. To say that whiteness is not a basis for these achievements means there is logical justification for pride in one's skin tone. Similarly whiteness is not a cause of racism or tyranny or oppression or slavery, so one's skin tone is not a reason for historical guilt.

Sorry, but racial oppression only happened mostly by the hand of white people in the west... in Africa black people do that between tribes, in middle east it was largely carried against jews and christians (or white people if you want), in Asia it also is still carried against most outside ethinicities.

You want to hear the great secret, the only ethnicity that formally ruled out slavery was the white folks.


Between tribes is not racial oppression. Between religions is not racial oppression (you do realise that the oppression of Jews and Christians in the middle east is against people of the same race or a "cousin" race?). Are you trying to say that slavery is formally legal in countries like Japan, China, India? In fact I'm pretty sure that slavery is officially illegal in just about every country (not sure about North Korea). 

@bold. That makes absolutely no sense. How could white people only oppress other races in "the west" (whatever that means), when there were no races other than white people in the place of origin of white people? White people had to go to (colonise / conquer) places where the people were not white in order to racially oppress people. Your own country, for instance. Brazil was not originally white. The indigenous people of Brazil are not white. It was white people who came and occupied Brazil that oppressed the natives. Australia is not originally "of the west", the natives there were horribly oppressed by the colonising Brits, and in some places actual genocide was carried out. India was colonised and oppressed. Large swathes of Africa were oppressed by European colonial powers. Have you heard of South Africa and its history? Is that "the west".



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Why people in USA are so focused in slavery in America and Atlantic slave trade and are in total ignorance about other slave trades. Atlantic slave trade existed between 1502 and 1853 and was neither longer, nor the biggest. Out of estimated 12 million slaves imported from Africa only 6.45% of them ended up in North America. Arab slave trade that started in 7th century was not finally over until around the 1960s and the estimated amount of slaves is much bigger in numbers. As recently as the 1950s, only in Saudi Arabia slave population was estimated at 450000 — approximately 20% of the total population at that time. Slavs were subjects of slavery from roman times till relatively recently - 19th century. They were so systematically enslaved by Romans, Vikings, Mongols, Arabs, Tatars, Italian and Jewish merchants that even the word slave in modern english comes from the latin word for Slavic (people). During the reign of Abd-ar-Rahman III in muslim Umayyad Caliphate in nowadays Spain, there were 13750 slavic slaves in his capital city of Cordoba. Only Tatars from Crimea manage to enslave between 1441 and 1774 around 3 million slavs. Circassians woman were subjects of intensive sex slave trade in Ottoman Empire. It has been estimated that some 200000 woman were imported only between 1800 and 1900. As late as 1908, women slaves were still sold in the Ottoman Empire. In West African kingdom of Dahomey that existed from about 1600 until 1894 locals were so much in the slave business that the whole economy was built on slave labor and trade. They had an annual custom during which 500 slaves were sacrificed. In one of these ceremonies in 1727, as many as 4000 slaves were reported killed. The list can go on and on, but yet people in US think that slavery in USA was the worst thing on Earth related to slavery.



I think people can relate to slavery in the past, hard to relate to Mongol Invasions lol



SpokenTruth said:
DonFerrari said:

Man, not saying he was accepted because he was black... I know they accept white guys anyway. What I'm saying is that they accept he calling himself black because he had black ancestors. 

One link that I'm not sure if it's the same guy on the veja article http://oglobo.globo.com/opiniao/raca-como-oficio-16476473 but it's on the same topic... Walter Francis White is the ex-NAACP high up that were white.

Ah, I see.  No idea about their guidelines for recognizing what constitutes someone as black based on heritage.  Can't say I've seen them openly state "this person is black or not".  I'll check that other article later tonight.

 

ArchangelMadzz said:
DonFerrari said:

I didn't say she was removed because she was white, I said that was because she pretended to be black (but when someone says he/she fells of another gender it must be accepted) but the guy that was white skinned was accepted as being black because he had one ancestor so don't twist it.

SJW's and several minorities leaders claim of systematic killing, persecution, etc that only really happens in other countries. There were several instances of crime commited against black, woman, gay, etc that were portrayed as because of color, gender or sexual orientation but were in fact only crimes against a person, but got coverage because someone wanted to pass the message.

And you basically are avoiding the point I made. That was very precise, the only reason they are able to protest is because the bigger issues doesn't exist anymore so now they are looking at minor things or in some cases fabricated ones.

SJW's aren't taken seriously by anyone, they claim stupid shit like Air conditioning being sexist. And have minority leaders done stupid shit? Yes, even not being a minority in some cases( Like a BLM leader lying about being black hahahaha) But your points have nothing to do with the conversation. Minorities as a whole or people who have pride because of something they've been demonised for. Like Sexuality, Race, Disabilities etc. Want to be treated equally, and for you to broadly claim they want special treatment is just plain incorrect.

You do realise that not being killed doesn't mean you don't have problems? And in some cases they are being killed. 

 

binary solo said:
DonFerrari said:

 

Sorry, but racial oppression only happened mostly by the hand of white people in the west... in Africa black people do that between tribes, in middle east it was largely carried against jews and christians (or white people if you want), in Asia it also is still carried against most outside ethinicities.

You want to hear the great secret, the only ethnicity that formally ruled out slavery was the white folks.


Between tribes is not racial oppression. Between religions is not racial oppression (you do realise that the oppression of Jews and Christians in the middle east is against people of the same race or a "cousin" race?). Are you trying to say that slavery is formally legal in countries like Japan, China, India? In fact I'm pretty sure that slavery is officially illegal in just about every country (not sure about North Korea). 

@bold. That makes absolutely no sense. How could white people only oppress other races in "the west" (whatever that means), when there were no races other than white people in the place of origin of white people? White people had to go to (colonise / conquer) places where the people were not white in order to racially oppress people. Your own country, for instance. Brazil was not originally white. The indigenous people of Brazil are not white. It was white people who came and occupied Brazil that oppressed the natives. Australia is not originally "of the west", the natives there were horribly oppressed by the colonising Brits, and in some places actual genocide was carried out. India was colonised and oppressed. Large swathes of Africa were oppressed by European colonial powers. Have you heard of South Africa and its history? Is that "the west".

Binary, it isn't racial oppression because you only look at it from color alone... for the tribes they would consider themselves different races... and in fact if you look at africans from different countries their body and face features are very different. In fact if you look at slaves that gone to USA and to Brazil you would find that they came from differents parts of Africa and just as an example the black people that came to brazil have curlier hair and widest and fatest lips than the ones that gone to USA.

Same thing with muslim and jews and christians. Although they could be white, arabic (that would still be caucasian), etc they where considered different races at the time jew were enslaved by egipts or when the arabics (mouros) invaded europe).

No I'm not trying to say they still are legal there. What I'm saying is that white countries of the west were basically the first to really move for a end on slavery, and basically that is tied to industrial revolution.

Still you want to only consider color as race to say it makes no sense. What I'm saying is that only in the west white people were the one oppressing other races, because in the east it was other races. White people didn't racially oppresed the indigenous brazilian, they conquered, whipped and shunned them away, very few of the indians ended up as captives or slaves of white man in Brazil.

Africa already oppresed themselves before white people came in to take power. And I never heard of australian aborigenes being enslaved, so they were also probably killed, expelled, etc... since australia was a penal colony I don't see much reason to enslave the local folks.

Yes I bet I heard much more from South Africa history, or Africa's history, or Asia's history or Europa's history or World's history than the average american student. In Brazil we have formal class on all those subjects (all those places and world history is more than 50% of our history class while brazilian history is the other half), same with geography. But do you know the history of those places? Seems like you don't so you can keep saying the white oppresion was the biggest that there ever was... In case you want yo just open up your mind a bit just read BrayanA post for example.



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Slimebeast said:

I don't feel proud about being white, but I reject this notion of white privilege as long as you don't acknowledge black privilege, Arab privilege and Asian privilege and if you don't acknowledge the reasons to why white people in general have somewhat easier lives in the West than minorities do (the main reason being that whites, as a group, actually have earned their "privilege").

The problem in the west is not racism or white pride anymore. The problem is increasingly white guilt and self-hate and it will keep increasing until the white race is eradicated. Such is the power of socialism in our society.

I think it's a pretty big assumption that just because someone chooses to focus on white privilege (perhaps because whites are the privileged majority in the society they live in) that they are unwilling to acknowledge that other societies have nonwhite privileged majorities. 

I am not sure what you mean by any majority privilege being "earned".  It seems to me that it's just a fact of being the prestigious majority, and minority groups being seen as more out of place—given a spotlight to highlight their flaws, if you will, that would not necessarily be noticed if the same people with the same flaws were part of the majority group. 



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BrayanA said:
Why people in USA are so focused in slavery in America and Atlantic slave trade and are in total ignorance about other slave trades. Atlantic slave trade existed between 1502 and 1853 and was neither longer, nor the biggest. Out of estimated 12 million slaves imported from Africa only 6.45% of them ended up in North America. Arab slave trade that started in 7th century was not finally over until around the 1960s and the estimated amount of slaves is much bigger in numbers. As recently as the 1950s, only in Saudi Arabia slave population was estimated at 450000 — approximately 20% of the total population at that time. Slavs were subjects of slavery from roman times till relatively recently - 19th century. They were so systematically enslaved by Romans, Vikings, Mongols, Arabs, Tatars, Italian and Jewish merchants that even the word slave in modern english comes from the latin word for Slavic (people). During the reign of Abd-ar-Rahman III in muslim Umayyad Caliphate in nowadays Spain, there were 13750 slavic slaves in his capital city of Cordoba. Only Tatars from Crimea manage to enslave between 1441 and 1774 around 3 million slavs. Circassians woman were subjects of intensive sex slave trade in Ottoman Empire. It has been estimated that some 200000 woman were imported only between 1800 and 1900. As late as 1908, women slaves were still sold in the Ottoman Empire. In West African kingdom of Dahomey that existed from about 1600 until 1894 locals were so much in the slave business that the whole economy was built on slave labor and trade. They had an annual custom during which 500 slaves were sacrificed. In one of these ceremonies in 1727, as many as 4000 slaves were reported killed. The list can go on and on, but yet people in US think that slavery in USA was the worst thing on Earth related to slavery.

Thank you.



Final-Fan said:
Slimebeast said:

I don't feel proud about being white, but I reject this notion of white privilege as long as you don't acknowledge black privilege, Arab privilege and Asian privilege and if you don't acknowledge the reasons to why white people in general have somewhat easier lives in the West than minorities do (the main reason being that whites, as a group, actually have earned their "privilege").

The problem in the west is not racism or white pride anymore. The problem is increasingly white guilt and self-hate and it will keep increasing until the white race is eradicated. Such is the power of socialism in our society.

I think it's a pretty big assumption that just because someone chooses to focus on white privilege (perhaps because whites are the privileged majority in the society they live in) that they are unwilling to acknowledge that other societies have nonwhite privileged majorities. 

I am not sure what you mean by any majority privilege being "earned".  It seems to me that it's just a fact of being the prestigious majority, and minority groups being seen as more out of place—given a spotlight to highlight their flaws, if you will, that would not necessarily be noticed if the same people with the same flaws were part of the majority group. 

Well, if you think white are privileged in America and that you as a black person were robbed from your mother land because of slavery and that black people have the privileges in Africa, why not go back to mother land?

 

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DonFerrari said:
Final-Fan said:

I think it's a pretty big assumption that just because someone chooses to focus on white privilege (perhaps because whites are the privileged majority in the society they live in) that they are unwilling to acknowledge that other societies have nonwhite privileged majorities. 

I am not sure what you mean by any majority privilege being "earned".  It seems to me that it's just a fact of being the prestigious majority, and minority groups being seen as more out of place—given a spotlight to highlight their flaws, if you will, that would not necessarily be noticed if the same people with the same flaws were part of the majority group. 

Well, if you think white are privileged in America and that you as a black person were robbed from your mother land because of slavery and that black people have the privileges in Africa, why not go back to mother land?

Couldn't you by that logic then also say if white people complain about XYZ, why don't they just leave America, Australia, Canada, etc. give it back to the natives and go back to Europe, lol. 



Slimebeast said:

I don't feel proud about being white, but I reject this notion of white privilege as long as you don't acknowledge black privilege, Arab privilege and Asian privilege and if you don't acknowledge the reasons to why white people in general have somewhat easier lives in the West than minorities do (the main reason being that whites, as a group, actually have earned their "privilege").

The problem in the west is not racism or white pride anymore. The problem is increasingly white guilt and self-hate and it will keep increasing until the white race is eradicated. Such is the power of socialism in our society.

"Problem"? This is perceived as being a problem by some people who feel culturally attacked but it's really nothing at all. That and your notion of socialism is ludicrous.



Soundwave said:
DonFerrari said:

Well, if you think white are privileged in America and that you as a black person were robbed from your mother land because of slavery and that black people have the privileges in Africa, why not go back to mother land?

Couldn't you by that logic then also say if white people complain about XYZ, why don't they just leave America, Australia, Canada, etc. give it back to the natives and go back to Europe, lol. 

Yes, if they complain that they can't get what they need because the others are bad towards them because they are white sure... anyone that try more to push blame on society than to take his destiny on his own hand can take this route for all I care. No amount of complaining will get anything solved.



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