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Final-Fan said:

fatslob, why do you suppose that Trump would have more reason to hide his tax returns than every president since Nixon? Revealing this data has been traditional—and routine—for decades for presidential candidates as part of showing the voters what they are all about. http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/web/presidentialtaxreturns

You said, "I've done my research and I've come to the conclusion that Trump is not a politician so how exactly am I looking to put in another corrupt career politician when he isn't even one?"

Well, let me put it this way. You claim that Trump is not at fault for lying to those people in those letters because he never made a legal contract with them. ("In business, a man's word is of no guarantees. Only the legal contract matters.") Where is the legal contract he is making with America now? If he's made a career out of swindling the American public as a businessman, why should we trust that he's not going to swindle the American public as a politician?

Since when was releasing your tax returns a requirement ? I don't care about tradition if it's not the rule ... 

That legal contract your looking for is the constitution and don't worry about congress one upping Trump since it's full of neoconservatives which hate him compared to Clinton ...

I don't need tax returns to tell who is on what side ... 

Machiavellian said:

Final, this is something that fatslob has no answer for.  I aske the same question stating that a businessman chooses to use underhanded tactics and that is a sign of the person character.  If Trump with use underhanded tactics in business then its no different going for public office.  If anything he would have a greater chance to institute policy that give him even more advantage in business.  The fact that he and his crew are looking to get rid of just about any and all regulations, agencies that keep corporations in check shows his end game.  The thing is, Trump as a businessman is known to lie to get what he wants just like his book "The art of the deal".  Its interesting that Trump gives you a blueprint how he do business, he tells you he is more than willing to tell you what you want to hear then reneged and people still follow along.

Again with the confimration bias but I guess you won't learn ... 



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fatslob-:O said:
Final-Fan said:

fatslob, why do you suppose that Trump would have more reason to hide his tax returns than every president since Nixon? Revealing this data has been traditional—and routine—for decades for presidential candidates as part of showing the voters what they are all about. http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/web/presidentialtaxreturns

You said, "I've done my research and I've come to the conclusion that Trump is not a politician so how exactly am I looking to put in another corrupt career politician when he isn't even one?"

Well, let me put it this way. You claim that Trump is not at fault for lying to those people in those letters because he never made a legal contract with them. ("In business, a man's word is of no guarantees. Only the legal contract matters.") Where is the legal contract he is making with America now? If he's made a career out of swindling the American public as a businessman, why should we trust that he's not going to swindle the American public as a politician?

Since when was releasing your tax returns a requirement ? I don't care about tradition if it's not the rule ... 

That legal contract your looking for is the constitution and don't worry about congress one upping Trump since it's full of neoconservatives which hate him compared to Clinton ...

I don't need tax returns to tell who is on what side ...

1.  I never said it was a requirement.  I said that presidential candidates have done it routinely for decades to demonstrate to the voting public that they have nothing to hide as far as their personal financial situation goes, and the natural inference to draw from Trump's refusal to do so is that he does have something to hide in that regard.  Not necessarily something illegal, but perhaps it would show that he has been lying about something that he has been claiming in the campaign about his business acumen. 

I sympathize with the viewpoint of "don't do something purely because it's tradition", but there is actually a reason why the public should want to know as much as reasonably possible about prospective Presidents.  Do you disagree? 

2.  "The constitution" is a pretty bad answer.  If the existence of the constitution guaranteed that a president would do a good job and not abuse the powers of the office, Nixon would be remembered as one of our better presidents.  For that matter, why are you worried about Hillary Clinton if all you need to do to prevent abuse of power is to remind her that the constitution exists? 

I will ask you again, if Trump's promises are worthless except in the context of a binding legal document, what binding legal document exists to assure us that Trump has any intention whatsoever of doing any of the things he has promised you he would do?  Maybe he'd be happy to let ISIS through immigration for $10,000 per terrorist, cash only.  As long as he could find a constitutional way to do it.  He doesn't want to build a wall, and if he did he wouldn't make Mexico pay for it.  He'd make New Mexico pay for it, and tell us he didn't specify "which Mexico" he was talking about. 



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fatslob-:O said:

Machiavellian said:

Final, this is something that fatslob has no answer for.  I aske the same question stating that a businessman chooses to use underhanded tactics and that is a sign of the person character.  If Trump with use underhanded tactics in business then its no different going for public office.  If anything he would have a greater chance to institute policy that give him even more advantage in business.  The fact that he and his crew are looking to get rid of just about any and all regulations, agencies that keep corporations in check shows his end game.  The thing is, Trump as a businessman is known to lie to get what he wants just like his book "The art of the deal".  Its interesting that Trump gives you a blueprint how he do business, he tells you he is more than willing to tell you what you want to hear then reneged and people still follow along.

Again with the confimration bias but I guess you won't learn ... 

Nothing really for me to learn.  You have not provided an answer or defended the position.  Hillary is getting killed because she is preceived a liar.  Why would this be any different for Trump.  As I asked before, what other means can we judge Trump character if not how he does business.  Since he has served no political office, the only way voters can judge him is based on his track record as a businesman and one he used as his political platform.



I hope trump wins so I can get a tax break. I work hard for my money and I am getting nickeled and dime for everything. Not right at all.



outlawauron said:

You can easily dislike Cruz as a person, but he's not a bad politician. I was surprised that Trump picked Pence because he's a pretty capable politician. Was expecting more of a radical pick.

He is a bad politician.  He is willing to shut down the government over bullshit.



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I tried to warn you guys about fatslob he views Trump as the embodiment of corporate personhood. An amoral entity with profit as the only directive. Under this delusion he is incapable of judging Trump.



Snoopy said:
I hope trump wins so I can get a tax break. I work hard for my money and I am getting nickeled and dime for everything. Not right at all.

Unless you are the 1% I am doubting you will be seeing any tax breaks.  If we are to go by Trump current econmic plan it has no breaks for anyone who isn't wealthy.



Machiavellian said:
Snoopy said:
I hope trump wins so I can get a tax break. I work hard for my money and I am getting nickeled and dime for everything. Not right at all.

Unless you are the 1% I am doubting you will be seeing any tax breaks.  If we are to go by Trump current econmic plan it has no breaks for anyone who isn't wealthy.

Everytime there is a Democrat my taxes go through the roof it would seem. Hell insurance went up a lot thanks to Obama care.



Snoopy said:
Machiavellian said:

Unless you are the 1% I am doubting you will be seeing any tax breaks.  If we are to go by Trump current econmic plan it has no breaks for anyone who isn't wealthy.

Everytime there is a Democrat my taxes go through the roof it would seem. Hell insurance went up a lot thanks to Obama care.

Well, not sure about your taxes but mine did not change between Bush and Obama.  Obama kept the bush tax cuts so there was not change for the middle and lower income.  Hillary already stated she is not changing or taxing the middle class or lower income but stated she is looking to make the 1% pay their fair share.  Donald is not a real republican so who really knows what the heck he will do.  He has talked about tax cuts but he has not talked about how those will get paid so when the smokes clears who really knows what his position will be if he get elected.



Machiavellian said:
Snoopy said:

Everytime there is a Democrat my taxes go through the roof it would seem. Hell insurance went up a lot thanks to Obama care.

Well, not sure about your taxes but mine did not change between Bush and Obama.  Obama kept the bush tax cuts so there was not change for the middle and lower income.  Hillary already stated she is not changing or taxing the middle class or lower income but stated she is looking to make the 1% pay their fair share.  Donald is not a real republican so who really knows what the heck he will do.  He has talked about tax cuts but he has not talked about how those will get paid so when the smokes clears who really knows what his position will be if he get elected.

Implying Obama care isn't another huge tax increase. My insurance would almost be twice as much than before if it weren't for my parents (god bless them). Hell, I remember that poor lady at the Hillary Clinton rally whose health care went up almost three times as much. She wanted to vote democrat too, but having a hard time. Insurance will only go up in cost as time goes on. Instead of letting states compete against each other and come up with innovative ways to lower the cost of health care, we are just going to keep pouring money into health care and let everything get more expensive. Innovation will get a lot of things done in a cost efficent matter.