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fatslob-:O said:

Manipulate to the same level that Soros does ? LAWL, good one there ... 

As far as him not promoting nationalism before his current presidential campaign you pretty much made up that lie just to oversell Clinton and undersell Trump and there's even evidence dating back at least a decade. How convenient of you to point out that he does foreign business but that doesn't help your case one bit that Clinton remains as a puppet for the NWO elites ... 

The words of a liar is FAR better than the words of your slave master cause that's who she is ...  

Trump is the ticket out of the world government cause even he's been consistent as far as American exceptionalism goes but what he's not consistent is on free trade which is a pretty different issue altogether ... 

The Green Party ? Absolutely not since Jill Stein is even more backwards than Hillary Clinton in some ways regarding nationalism but even if their not getting exchanged for favours they do not realize their playing into the hands of the NWO. The Libertarian Party ? I'll consider them if Gary Johnson can get on stage for the national debate but Donald Trump seems to be the safest bet yet when it comes to US interests and sovereignty ... 

To be honest, Trump cannot Manipulate on the same level as Soros because he isn't that smart.  As stated before, you only have to dig a little in his businesses and how successful they are to see Trump the business man would be Totally broke if not for his dad's fortune.

As for me overselling Clinton, interesting you keep throwing her out as if everyone is voting for her instead of Trump.  You can use Clinton as a scape goat all you want but it does not in any way take away from what Trump has said or done throughout his career.  

So to counter Trump promoting Nationalism, as I stated before, its all about Action not words.  

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/05/trumps-made-in-the-u-s-a-spin/

The day he stop giving excuses and have his goods made in the US is when I believe he is serious.  Just like his excuses to release his taxes when it comes to action, its either Hillary or Obama fault (being sarcastic).  Pretty soon he will run out of ways to Blame them for every single issue he can think up to support his lies.  I am sure his taxes will not be released because of HC and Obama and I definitely believe his ties, suits, furniture and a host of other branded goods will not see production on US soil because of HC and Obama.  I am also sure if he luck up and become president, how fast those 15 to 20% tariffs on overseas manufactured goods would be blamed on someone else when he doesn't follow through.

 



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Soundwave said:

Of course he will deny it, lol, his ties to Putin are very obvious. 

So then why did he work under Ronald Reagan if he was the guy who was responsible for putting the final nail in the coffin for Russia when Paul himself has a pro-russian agenda like you claim ?



fatslob-:O said:
Soundwave said:

And do you only buy products from one singular country? Would you pay double for a Playstation 4 made outside of China? Where is 2/3rds of your wardrobe made? Trump is a hypocrite on this too ... where are his Trump clothing line clothes made? Where is his daughter's clothing line made. How big of a shit-fit do you think he would throw tomorrow if was announced that foreign countries were imposing huge tarrifs on his Trump-branded resorts that are outside of the US?

*crickets*

Free trade is simply a natural result of global capitalism. Can't have it both ways. 

Again, Free Trade =/= Anti-nationalism ... 

He's a hypocrite on free trade but he's not a hypocrite when it comes to US interests ... 

He's an idiot on free trade in general. 

American companies have come out on top of free trade like Michael Phelps dominating the Olympics ... look at companies like Apple, Facebook, Nike, Coca-Cola, McDonalds, Disney, Microsoft, Exxon Mobil, these are some of the biggest companies in the world and they all rely heavily on the global market and they're all American. 

Free trade and countries working together to produce goods IMO in the overall scheme of things is a net positive because it prevents human stupidity (a natural flaw of our species) from drifting into stupid war mongering, like World War II (borne out of old European nationalist conflicts) or the Cold War which came to the brink of destroying human civilization perhaps. 

Greed while having unfortunate effects does have one powerful redeeming value -- it can create cooperation. A global connected world with globally connected markets that relies on each other is the best defence against another stupid World War. No one is willing to the start a war if it hurts their wallet. 



KungKras said:
So much schizophrenia in this thread.

This thread is the right wing side of the fringe conspiracist spectrum. Soros is an evil alien dictator that keeps countries from staying lily white or something.



Machiavellian said:

To be honest, Trump cannot Manipulate on the same level as Soros because he isn't that smart.  As stated before, you only have to dig a little in his businesses and how successful they are to see Trump the business man would be Totally broke if not for his dad's fortune.

As for me overselling Clinton, interesting you keep throwing her out as if everyone is voting for her instead of Trump.  You can use Clinton as a scape goat all you want but it does not in any way take away from what Trump has said or done throughout his career.  

So to counter Trump promoting Nationalism, as I stated before, its all about Action not words.  

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/05/trumps-made-in-the-u-s-a-spin/

The day he stop giving excuses and have his goods made in the US is when I believe he is serious.  Just like his excuses to release his taxes when it comes to action, its either Hillary or Obama fault (being sarcastic).  Pretty soon he will run out of ways to Blame them for every single issue he can think up to support his lies.  I am sure his taxes will not be released because of HC and Obama and I definitely believe his ties, suits, furniture and a host of other branded goods will not see production on US soil because of HC and Obama.  I am also sure if he luck up and become president, how fast those 15 to 20% tariffs on overseas manufactured goods would be blamed on someone else when he doesn't follow through.

Again you cannot equate free trade to be the same as American exceptionalism ... 



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Soundwave said:

He's an idiot on free trade in general. 

American companies have come out on top of free trade like Michael Phelps dominating the Olympics ... look at companies like Apple, Facebook, Nike, Coca-Cola, McDonalds, Disney, Microsoft, Exxon Mobil, these are some of the biggest companies in the world and they all rely heavily on the global market and they're all American. 

Free trade and countries working together to produce goods IMO in the overall scheme of things is a net positive because it prevents human stupidity (a natural flaw of our species) from drifting into stupid war mongering, like World War II (borne out of old European nationalist conflicts) or the Cold War which came to the brink of destroying human civilization perhaps. 

Greed while having unfortunate effects does have one powerful redeeming value -- it can create cooperation. A global connected world with globally connected markets that relies on each other is the best defence against another stupid World War. No one is willing to the start a war if it hurts their wallet. 

Some do come on top but free trade hurts the US when we keep having trading deficits with the rest of the world so Trump is on to something there ... 



fatslob-:O said:
Soundwave said:

He's an idiot on free trade in general. 

American companies have come out on top of free trade like Michael Phelps dominating the Olympics ... look at companies like Apple, Facebook, Nike, Coca-Cola, McDonalds, Disney, Microsoft, Exxon Mobil, these are some of the biggest companies in the world and they all rely heavily on the global market and they're all American. 

Free trade and countries working together to produce goods IMO in the overall scheme of things is a net positive because it prevents human stupidity (a natural flaw of our species) from drifting into stupid war mongering, like World War II (borne out of old European nationalist conflicts) or the Cold War which came to the brink of destroying human civilization perhaps. 

Greed while having unfortunate effects does have one powerful redeeming value -- it can create cooperation. A global connected world with globally connected markets that relies on each other is the best defence against another stupid World War. No one is willing to the start a war if it hurts their wallet. 

Some do come on top but free trade hurts the US when we keep having trading deficits with the rest of the world so Trump is on to something there ... 

No again, it's stupidity sold to people who have very minimal understanding of business or finance. 

Americans buy a ton of SHIT. Of course they are going to have a trade deficet with a country like China, the average Chinese person can't buy two cars, four TVs, three game consoles, four phones, three closets full of clothes, per household etc. etc. etc. The average Chinese person makes less than $5000 *for an entire year* and they work themselves damn near to death in conditions that most Americans would pass out in after 15 minutes. 

It's natural the US would have a trade deficet there and with anyone, they are the largest consumer market in the world which means they consume the most products. 

Also it's not as if a product made in China goes to "The Chinese Money Pile". The bulk of the money made from an iPhone made in China goes to APPLE, an American company which then pays out stock dividends to its investors or increases their share price thus making their investors richer (the majority of whom are in America). Apple also employs several thousand people in America. 

American companies, products, celebrities, music, cinema, culture, dominate the world, this is like someone saying America is doing terrible at the Olympic Games because they're not winning in every event even though they are winning the most medals. There's "American exceptionalism" and then there's just being a blow hard insecure prick. 



JWeinCom said:
Netyaroze said:

I guess you are right he is a danger to society...

Funny thing is when I read the list (not all of it cause it got repetitive) almost all of the projects were either about encouraging voters, or creating transparency regarding voting records and donations.  

I don't know that much about Soros.  For all I know, he can be into some illuminati shit on the side.  But if he is, that list absolutely does not show it.

Yeah thats basically my point too. 



fatslob-:O said:
Soundwave said:

And do you only buy products from one singular country? Would you pay double for a Playstation 4 made outside of China? Where is 2/3rds of your wardrobe made? Trump is a hypocrite on this too ... where are his Trump clothing line clothes made? Where is his daughter's clothing line made. How big of a shit-fit do you think he would throw tomorrow if was announced that foreign countries were imposing huge tarrifs on his Trump-branded resorts that are outside of the US?

*crickets*

Free trade is simply a natural result of global capitalism. Can't have it both ways. 

Again, Free Trade =/= Anti-nationalism ... 

He's a hypocrite on free trade but he's not a hypocrite when it comes to US interests ... 

Here is the problem with Trump plans.  Adding Tariffs is not the solution.  It’s another one of those feel good statements he makes that sound good on the surface but in reality doesn't pan out.  We already tried that whole Tariff solution and the only thing it does is put us into a tariff war with other nations.  This raises prices for everything and thus send us spiraling into recession/ depression.  This has always been the problem with a lot of what Trump says.  There is no real thought behind it, instead he say stuff and see if people think it’s smart then he continue to repeat it.  He never does his homework or see if such solutions have not be tried before and why they fail. 

 

The real problem with putting Trump in position to make such choses is the fact he does not do his homework.  He does not take the job serious and he does not listen.  He believe in his great business mind which from his record is not that great.  

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/30/donald-trump/trump-miscasts-impact-trade-chinese-taxes/

Here is a link that talks about one of Trumps claims.  As always, what Trump says is not what is the problem but since he knows it sounds good more than it actually being going is the gift of a con man.



Soundwave said:

No again, it's stupidity sold to people who have very minimal understanding of business or finance. 

Americans buy a ton of SHIT. Of course they are going to have a trade deficet with a country like China, the average Chinese person can't buy two cars, four TVs, three game consoles, four phones, three closets full of clothes, per household etc. etc. etc. The average Chinese person makes less than $5000 *for an entire year* and they work themselves damn near to death in conditions that most Americans would pass out in after 15 minutes. 

It's natural the US would have a trade deficet there and with anyone, they are the largest consumer market in the world which means they consume the most products. 

Also it's not as if a product made in China goes to "The Chinese Money Pile". The bulk of the money made from an iPhone made in China goes to APPLE, an American company which then pays out stock dividends to its investors (the majority of whom are in America). Apple also employs several thousand people in America. 

American companies, products, celebrities, music, cinema, culture, dominate the world, this is like someone saying America is doing terrible at the Olympic Games because they're not winning in every event even though they are winning the most medals. There's "American exceptionalism" and then there's just being a blow hard insecure prick. 

It really isn't stupidity, it's just the TRUTH! We all realize that America is the biggest consumer and that will probably be the downfall of it's own economy and it doesn't help that democrats are not willing to see that social security funds are a liability and not an asset which will further exasperate the issue ... 

You're right that not all of the products produced in China get the full cut in profits but think of it like this ... 

EVERYTIME you buy a product made in a foreign country the empolyees over there are guaranteed an X amount of profit from the products sold. If a person buys an apple for $5 from another country that $5 is NEVER coming BACK to our own economy UNLESS we we trade something for that $5 ... 

Whether you like it or not we've engaged in an economic war of attrition with China ... (We are probably going to go broke unless we can find ourselves another economic miracle since China is playing a very tough game with us.)