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smm30081 said:
MikeRox said:

Nobody has ever voted for a prime minister in this country unless they happen to live in the constituency of the leader the biggest party. Just like if (when) Corbyn survives this leadership challenge and goes into the next general election, nobody outside of Islington will have the opportunity to vote for him. Parties pick the potential prime minister, not the electorate.

Personally I think the OP is overly harsh towards Corbyn and his supporters. But I am far from a fan of his and think if he were ever to get the top job, it would be a disaster.

 

I don't think he is capable of winning a general election and pretty much guarantees Theresa May will meet your definition of an elected leader in the future. But he is more than welcome to try and prove me wrong.

 Ok so you vote for the party not the leader in the GE, but I think most people vote for the the leader not the party, hence why Corbyn has no chance of winning.

 Even though I support and agree with Corbyn's ideals, I also agree that he's not the top man for the job, though I don't think it'd be a disaster, just not as good as it could be however. That said I don't think that the Tories have done us many favours in their tenure (as a working class Northerner). 

 The Tories being in control is probably the best option we have at this moment in time, with the whole Brexit deal going on, I think that they'd be able to get the best deal from the EU and beyond. 

 I think that moving forward we need a more left-wing leader, who'll try their utmost to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor, and also improve equality.

 

 -Sam

As a fellow northerner. I agree. I really hate that the Tories are the best option atm.

 

Theresa May is actually saying the right things at the moment. But there's a huge difference between saying and doing. If she does half of what she has outlined though, Cameron resigning could be the best thing to happen to this country in a long time.

 

And you never know, labour might sort themselves out by 2025.



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MikeRox said:
smm30081 said:

 Ok so you vote for the party not the leader in the GE, but I think most people vote for the the leader not the party, hence why Corbyn has no chance of winning.

 Even though I support and agree with Corbyn's ideals, I also agree that he's not the top man for the job, though I don't think it'd be a disaster, just not as good as it could be however. That said I don't think that the Tories have done us many favours in their tenure (as a working class Northerner). 

 The Tories being in control is probably the best option we have at this moment in time, with the whole Brexit deal going on, I think that they'd be able to get the best deal from the EU and beyond. 

 I think that moving forward we need a more left-wing leader, who'll try their utmost to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor, and also improve equality.

 

 -Sam

As a fellow northerner. I agree. I really hate that the Tories are the best option atm.

 

Theresa May is actually saying the right things at the moment. But there's a huge difference between saying and doing. If she does half of what she has outlined though, Cameron resigning could be the best thing to happen to this country in a long time.

 

And you never know, labour might sort themselves out by 2025.

She is saying the right things, but so did Cameron, who, now that I've thought about it more, has reduced poverty in the UK... by changing the definition! And now has the record amount of people in employment - Zero hour contracts!

Lets just hope and pray she works out to be good, but my dad told me (for right or for wrong) to never trust a Tory - He lived through the Thatcher era and we're living near Liverpool

 

-Sam



All my fellow Northern Labour stronghold voters like myself are also thinking that Tories are the best option at the moment but it's definitely true, Crazy world,

Ed Miliband was a poor option as a leader but still got good amount of votes but whether you love or hate Corbyn if he stays as the leader the party would loose so many votes in the next general election to the extent of possibly finishing outside the top 3 for seats won and some of the major Labour strongholds could possible fall.



Labour would be more fucked if he looses.

Either way they're not winning the next general election and either way they will have a new leader in the next 4 years. If he leaves labour will see massive backlash against the party from all the people who support him (most of the young liberals from what I see), theres more chance of labour being torn in two from him leaving versus him staying imo.



ohmylanta1003 said:
Super_Boom said:
Thread title updated. Don't flame political groups.

Right. We can talk about how stupid Trump is and how stupid all his followers are, but everything else is off limits. Good to know.

No offense, but the typical supporter of (insert popular politician) don't know what they're talking about.


I'll be honest- I'm not a genius in politics. However, it's blind supporters that act as though they know everything about economics, morality, etc etc.

 

Trump supporters shouldn't be the only ones criticized. many Bernie supporters blindly supported his economic plans without understanding how it'll work.



 

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man-bear-pig said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Corbyn is a Socialist, not a liberal. You're labeling your own sister wrongly with the wrong label.

The fact that she's a corbyn supporter doesn't mean she's a socialist; she knows absolutely nothing about politics. I stand by the original description that she's a libtard.

Look OP,

 

regardless of whether she knows what she's talking about or not, it doesn't mean that you should just go ahead and call her a libtard. There are a plethora of better ways to deal with this situation. If you think she's wrong, offer her an explanation as to why. If she actually wants to participate, she'll ask questions and try to see if you're truly right. If she doesn't care, she'll ignore you. Either way, I'd say you should just let her do her and you do you. Forcing your opinion would basically be an agenda- no one likes people who force beliefs upon others.

 

I used to be like you. Had a strong hatred against the right(and the far left). However, I realized that there's no point- no one thinks a lot. What's the point in getting mad just because someone disagrees with you? Disagreeing is what creates interesting conversations and a desire to find connections between each other.

 

Think positively. Don't just attack your sister. In all honesty, perhaps you should reflect on your recent decisions? It's for the best.



 

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barneystinson69 said:
WolfpackN64 said:
You are a massive idiot.

Corbyn is doing just fine. Can't you people see the "New Labour" MP's are the ones destroying Labour?
Isn't Labour supposed to be a socialist party, working for the common people? Then why are you taking a piss out of them?

You need some class counciousness.

The guy is a flip-fop. Saying he doesnt support brexit, yet secretly being anti-EI. Very strange. Almost his entire cabinet quit, and many of his MPs have totally lost confidence in his leadership.

It's the opposite actually. He's stubbornly stuck to his views which is part of his appeal. Unfortunately, he sticks to those views even in the face of evidence suggesting the opposite. 

His support for staying in the EU was based on not giving the Tories the chance to do away with a lot of the workers rights associated with EU regulations. It was clear from his speeches and his history that if he was in charge then he probably would have taken the country on Brexit and put in place more socialist policies. 



smm30081 said:
O.P - Why are you against the belief that everybody should have equal rights and equal opportunities? Why is it embarrassing to support that?

The media are massively biased against Corbyn because they know that he doesn't like them and would demand more taxes to be paid by them and other large corporations, hence why if you look to any media outlet (T.V, Newspapers etc.) they slate him and love to focus on all of the negatives that happen to him.

Compare that to our un-elected Tory government, they hate the poor and dis-advantaged, so continue to put them under the cosh and squeeze them for every penny they've got, all whilst claiming massive amounts of money in expenses on top of their £100 000+ salary.

Corbyns M.P's have been very dishonest and have basically stabbed him in the back and destroyed their own parties reputation, all by jumping on him for supporting what he believes in - these are the people that have joined the party in recent years, and can only be called 'Blairites', or Tory-juniors.

O.P - could you please tell us your political beliefs btw, I'm interested to know what you are in support of and against.

-Sam

This conspiracy theory stuff is quite funny. The media are digging into him because his policy ideas are from the 70s; tried, tested and failed. The country wasn't exactly in good shape and lead to nearly 20 years of Tory government. If Corbyn stays then we're likely to end up in the same position. Even the left wing media have mixed views and his overall performance since becoming leader has been close to useless. We have a pretty good idea what his views are and what he's against in the Tories, but what concrete and realistic policies have been put forward since he's been leader?

It's also quite funny how 80% of Labour MPs are now 'Blairites'. Even MPs that supported him when he was elected are now turning against him. Only his closest allies still support him. Maybe, just maybe, it's possible he's just an incompetent leader/manager. 

All the polls show his chances of winning a general election is close to nil. The labour membership only make up a very small percentage of the electorate meaning labour are going to remain pretty irrelevant for the forseeable future. The Tories already feel like they have no significant opposition.

With all that said, I don't really have much faith in the other labour MPs, but they can't do any worse than Corbyn. 



man-bear-pig said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Corbyn is a Socialist, not a liberal. You're labeling your own sister wrongly with the wrong label.

The fact that she's a corbyn supporter doesn't mean she's a socialist; she knows absolutely nothing about politics. I stand by the original description that she's a libtard.

Then naming her anything that even suggest she's a liberal is still stupid beyond measure. It doesn't look like you understand much of politics either.



Scoobes said:

. The labour membership only make up a very small percentage of the electorate meaning labour are going to remain pretty irrelevant for the forseeable future. 

You know. This pretty much is the white elephant in the  room with Corbyn argument.

People confusing labour grassroots supporters as being the same as people who vote labour in a general election.

Labour's grassroots might well be very socialist. But as soon as you widen that to the broader electorate, I just don't see how his ideas and policies have any chance of getting labour elected.



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