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Mazzy said:
zorg1000 said:

Absolutely none of that is relevant to what you or I previously said.

 

You: Nintendo has been in constant decline since the NES.

Me: From FY1990-2005, Nintendo had relatively stable hardware shipments, net sales & operating income.

Do you understand my last post now? I was correcting a false statement that you made.

Clearly it won't just be YoY declines every year due to the way console cycles work, but they have been hurting for quite a while, even with N64 and GCN, and if Wii hadn't been the massive success it was, it would be a very, very different situation for Nintendo. Nintendo has been relying on mobile, toy dolls, theme parks, restaurants, TV shows, etc. to keep profit up because at this point because their console sales are in the gutter, and their handheld sales are down a huge amount from previous gen (and handheld gaming in general is dying rapidly). Also important is mindshare and marketshare and Nintendo continues to shrink there as well. 

Has been relying on where?  Most of the things you mentioned haven't even started ( not even mobile, since miitomo doesn't count, it's a weird social game, wait for the real games, from  major Nintendo ips ) ! Nintendo is still profiting by 90% on its traditional buisness...

Do you have a problem that Nintendo is finally doing the right move of  being diversified?

Anyway!

 

 

So by your logic,  ps3 is a commercial failure and playstation was dying since its predecessor sold 155m+? No it's not, it just fell back to the normal! Let me surprise you,  Wii isn't the  first console with casual gamers/ non previously gamers...

 

And  who cares for the unfair 3ds vs ds comparison? Only people who want to draw a negative picture for Nintendo's handheld consoles buisness or to support their irrational  notion, of handhelds consoles or rather Nintendo's handhelds consoles ( since Nintendo's only the true representative of handheld gaming )  being dead ( Selling 70m+ and being the second best selling gaming device of the gen, is far from dead) !

Furthemore,, the only handheld  console before ds, was gba ,which sold 81.5m,  its succcessor sold almost double of  its predecessor sales,  having a rival that sold about the same with it s rival's predecessor, what  happend suddenly and the market grow so extremely? These seem to be regular for you?

As they grew, thus they dwindled! However, that's not death level, more like normalization level! Maybe Nintendo's next handheld consoles sales could refute that for bad or even for good.

Αt the end  If handheld gaming is dying, you and all others who exaggerate with this topic, let it  to be proved with Nintendo's  next handheld console, if it sells fairly under  3ds... Conclusions by now are premature and  msiguided when the metric of them  is the ds vs 3ds comparison!

The real problem is in the USA where 3ds is a lot down compared to gba but still having quite high sales.

P.s Friendly advice, be careful with what you read on the internet! DOOOOOOOOM!



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JetSetter said:

Becuase Nintendo is an entertainment company only, that's why I only compared it to Playstation. Sony has it's hands in cameras, financial services, mobile phones (barely), movies, TVs, and music (and probably more that Im forgetting). Two different companies with two different industries they're in. 

And again their mobile game wasn't really a game with little keeping players engaged so that might not be the best measure of their success in the field. We'll have to wait and see how it looks after more mobile games come out. And yes amiibo have been a smaller source of income so hopefully they can find a way to grow that.  

Also apperently having only one game (even though there were more) to show wasn't all that bad. Zelda was well received and talked about alot on social media and the like. I'm sure Nintendo knows they have to prove themselves also but how do you do that when your two systems are in the very late stages in their life? They did the best with what they have and that's all we can say. 

I didn't know they weren't at Gamescom or PGW so I can't say much on that. But I do know that TGS is something that Nintendo doesn't normally attend. Plus given the state of the Japanese market (which TGS caters to I'm sure), and their position in that market, I'm sure Nintendo doesn't have to sweat not being there. 

When all the Nintendo fans have one game to talk about, it's no surprise that they talk about the one game shown for nearly 8 hours straight. Pachter mentioned this on his Pach Attack show at one point, and I find it true in my own experiences: Nintendo fans are the loudest minority on the internet and social media, but that simply isn't reflected in sales. The last Direct about Amiibos and Smash DLC was flooding the front page of GAF and /v/, while PGW and TGS and PSX seemed to receive much less attention despite having much bigger announcement. Put simply: Nintendo fans are childish and obnoxious online and the reception to BotW is simply an extension of that. I mean you see the video of grown ass men running to play BotW like little kids? I mean it's embarrassing, this a closed event and they're supposed to be acting professional.

 

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Tlozjb said:

Call them excuses if you want, but they failed in certain keypoints, and so their consoles diminished in sales, we may not know hat would had happened if alll went well.  Maybe they would had still fallen, but not so drastically gen per gen.

Focus on one game that ended being the biggest talk of this E3 and had the attendees going full on wild for the first time in 10 years.

Reggie indeed said that, but this begs the question, he did say spec matter, but from what PoV was he looking it at from?  That it doesn't matter that NX doesn't match PS4 and X1 or that it doesn't matter if NX doesn't amtch Neo and Scorpio?  If the former, then it will go bad, but if the latter, which is the most probable seeing how he mainly mentioned Teraflops the main point of the Scorpio spec uprade, then he is right, NX doesn't need to be like that, it just needs to have good content, and at minimum match PS4 when it comes to power.

PS1 was a new competitor into the market and managed to outsell Nintendo 3:1 then again 6:1. There's minor oversights and improvements you can make for next time, but when you're getting outsold over 3 times over by a new competitor then something is fundamentally wrong with your decision making process.

Ubisoft also said that it will recapture the casual audience. Rather than right their wrongs and make a console on par with current gen power along with up to date online, standard controller, and third party support, it appears they are again trying to capture lightning in a bottle and capture an audience that has moved on. Nintendo just seems grossly incompetent as a company, and I don't think based on the plethora of rumors and leaks that we have, along with the trend of Nintendo console sales, that there is any reasonable chance of NX being a success. 

zorg1000 said:

Im sorry that you lack any form of comprehension, we are not talking about how they are doing now, i was simply pointing out an incorrect statement in your original post, that Nintendo has been in constant decline since NES, that is factually untrue.

They are currently in a state of decline but in order for your original statement to be true than the period of 1990-2005 would have also had to be in decline, it wasnt, hence your original statement was incorrect.

If this is too complicated for you to understand than save yourself some time and just leave the discussion.

I'm talking hardware sales, and I said Wii was the exception where they targeted a new audience and were the hot fad, but that audience has no loyalty towards Nintendo and simply doesn't  care about them and has moved on. 

tak13 said:

Has been relying on where?  Most of the things you mentioned haven't even started ( not even mobile, since miitomo doesn't count, it's a weird social game, wait for the real games, from  major Nintendo ips ) ! Nintendo is still profiting by 90% on its traditional buisness...

Do you have a problem that Nintendo is finally doing the right move of  being diversified?

Anyway!

So by your logic,  ps3 is a commercial failure and playstation was dying since its predecessor sold 155m+? No it's not, it just fell back to the normal! Let me surprise you,  Wii isn't the  first console with casual gamers/ non previously gamers...

And  who cares for the unfair 3ds vs ds comparison? Only people who want to draw a negative picture for Nintendo's handheld consoles buisness or to support their irrational  notion, of handhelds consoles or rather Nintendo's handhelds consoles ( since Nintendo's only the true representative of handheld gaming )  being dead ( Selling 70m+ and being the second best selling gaming device of the gen, is far from dead) !

Furthemore,, the only handheld  console before ds, was gba ,which sold 81.5m,  its succcessor sold almost double of  its predecessor sales,  having a rival that sold about the same with it s rival's predecessor, what  happend suddenly and the market grow so extremely? These seem to be regular for you?

As they grew, thus they dwindled! However, that's not death level, more like normalization level! Maybe Nintendo's next handheld consoles sales could refute that for bad or even for good.

Αt the end  If handheld gaming is dying, you and all others who exaggerate with this topic, let it  to be proved with Nintendo's  next handheld console, if it sells fairly under  3ds... Conclusions by now are premature and  msiguided when the metric of them  is the ds vs 3ds comparison!

The real problem is in the USA where 3ds is a lot down compared to gba but still having quite high sales.

P.s Friendly advice, be careful with what you read on the internet! DOOOOOOOOM!

Over 18% Nintendo's revenue came from IP income, royalties, and smart devices as well as another 10% from amiibos, accesories, etc. (Source: https://zhugeex.com/2016/04/nintendo-fy-2015-report-in-transition/)

And yes, 3DS sales are bad, it had very poor legs and mobile ate its lunch. The doom and gloom about mobile killing consoles was a load of BS, but that can't be said for handheld, and I'll gladly eat my crow if Nintendo releases a handheld that sells more than the 3DS but the odds of that happening in this competitive and volatile mobile/handheld market are slim to none, only in Japan is handheld gaming doing well. 

Also, PS3 was a massive financial failure, and it's really quite commendable how Sony turned things around and achieved profitability, but they have the marketshare and third party relationships to do this. PS3 was a failure due to their own decisions regarding hardware that caused them to lose big on each console sale, not because they are becoming increasingly irrelevant in the market. If Sony released another PS3 level failure this gen, there would be no PS5. 



Mazzy said:
zorg1000 said:

Im sorry that you lack any form of comprehension, we are not talking about how they are doing now, i was simply pointing out an incorrect statement in your original post, that Nintendo has been in constant decline since NES, that is factually untrue.

They are currently in a state of decline but in order for your original statement to be true than the period of 1990-2005 would have also had to be in decline, it wasnt, hence your original statement was incorrect.

If this is too complicated for you to understand than save yourself some time and just leave the discussion.

I'm talking hardware sales, and I said Wii was the exception where they targeted a new audience and were the hot fad, but that audience has no loyalty towards Nintendo and simply doesn't  care about them and has moved on. 

Hardware sales were still relatively stable in the period of 1990-2005, Nintendo shipped between 20-30 million units of hardware in 13 of those 16 fiscal years.

Once again, you are displaying a severe lack of comprehension, all this data is readily available for you in the OP, i suggest that you take a good look at those charts before responding.



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zorg1000 said:
Mazzy said:

I'm talking hardware sales, and I said Wii was the exception where they targeted a new audience and were the hot fad, but that audience has no loyalty towards Nintendo and simply doesn't  care about them and has moved on. 

Hardware sales were still relatively stable in the period of 1990-2005, Nintendo shipped between 20-30 million units of hardware in 13 of those 16 fiscal years.

Once again, you are displaying a severe lack of comprehension, all this data is readily available for you in the OP, i suggest that you take a good look at those charts before responding.

Yeah! And the interesting one is the GB/C VS 3DS, 3DS has shipped in five years  more than what GB has in 7 years, and about the same with what GBC has shipped in five years!

 

In case of any questioning about why I seperate GB/GBC, is because they're two gen handheld consoles, 1989-2001, gbc was released in 1998, gbC  has a completely new vast gaming library dedicated to it and each one handheld console coincide with different gen Nintendo home consoles,  SNES (1992) and N64 (1997) respectively...



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Mazzy said:

When all the Nintendo fans have one game to talk about, it's no surprise that they talk about the one game shown for nearly 8 hours straight. Pachter mentioned this on his Pach Attack show at one point, and I find it true in my own experiences: Nintendo fans are the loudest minority on the internet and social media, but that simply isn't reflected in sales. The last Direct about Amiibos and Smash DLC was flooding the front page of GAF and /v/, while PGW and TGS and PSX seemed to receive much less attention despite having much bigger announcement. Put simply: Nintendo fans are childish and obnoxious online and the reception to BotW is simply an extension of that. I mean you see the video of grown ass men running to play BotW like little kids? I mean it's embarrassing, this a closed event and they're supposed to be acting professional.

In the end all that matters is that people are talking about the game in a positive light. Thus it gets more and more poeple knowing about a game. There's a reason people tend to hold review scores in such high regard (almost embarrassingly so). Also as I mentioned, other games were there. Pokémon Sun and Moon was shown the same day as the Zelda blowout and doesn't seem to have gotten nearly as much attention. If Nintendo fans were so thirsty for games why weren't both games talked about at equal measure?  And yes I did see that video, and while I do think that people should act professional in such a setting it just shows how passionate they are about playing the game. 

Also GAF and/v/ don't equal the Internet. I'm sure announcements from the events you mentioned were talked about alot in other areas. 

Also it just makes you look a little rude calling all Nintendo fans childish and obnoxious online. You shouldn't marginalize an entire group like that. I've seen a variety of Nintendo fans on a variety of websites make very smart comments on Nintendo (both positive and negative) and not immediately jump on the  "go third party" bandwagon that people love to parade around.  Also both MS and Sony have their fanboys that act "childish and obnoxious" online as well so it shouldn't come as a surprise that Nintendo has some as well. 



Thanks for making this a thread. Appreciate the kind words.

I've posted some more stuff on my Twitter timeline for those who are interested and am also in the process of compiling all this data into an easy to read document.

Hopefully I'll be able to release the full set of data for Nintendo, along with other gaming publishers, by the end of the month.



ZhugeEX said:
Thanks for making this a thread. Appreciate the kind words.

I've posted some more stuff on my Twitter timeline for those who are interested and am also in the process of compiling all this data into an easy to read document.

Hopefully I'll be able to release the full set of data for Nintendo, along with other gaming publishers, by the end of the month.

Well actually, it's I who should be thanking you! (Or is it me that should be thanking you? English=/=easy)

I'm tempted to ask you to consider making an official Sony/MS/Nintendo/Others thread(s) where you keep track of their gaming divisions, earnings, profits, sales and more. While this site is interesting to follow due to the sale numbers of SW and HW, it would be really interesting to follow the profitability as well. I said I was tempted to ask this of you, but it's probably a huge job compiling all of that data (even though you seem to be quite capable of doing that) so I'm just gonna hint that maybe you should consider it ;)

Thanks for the great work btw!



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Furthermore, I think VGChartz should add a "Like"-button.

Nintendo's console decline in the 90s/early 2000s was masked by the Pokemon revival of the Game Boy and the sudden ramp up of the portable market which peaked with the DS it looks like.

Smartphones/tablets really screwed Nintendo. They'd have nothing to worry about if those didn't exist, but I guess Blackberry would say the same thing, lol.

That said I think Nintendo will make a fortune off smartphone apps over the next gen so much so that I think NX merely has to do "ok".

If they can sell 60 million NX units, shared between the console and portable, even that would be "ok".



Soundwave said:
Nintendo's console decline in the 90s/early 2000s was masked by the Pokemon revival of the Game Boy and the sudden ramp up of the portable market which peaked with the DS it looks like.

Smartphones/tablets really screwed Nintendo. They'd have nothing to worry about if those didn't exist, but I guess Blackberry would say the same thing, lol.

That said I think Nintendo will make a fortune off smartphone apps over the next gen so much so that I think NX merely has to do "ok".

If they can sell 60 million NX units, shared between the console and portable, even that would be "ok".

I think that's a fair assesment; the declining console business was supplemented by other branches, hiding the failing console business, so to speak.

Nintendo have reached a point where their HW and SW can't sustain them any more, at least not when one of them is blatantly failing, and the second isn't doing great. Couple that with rising dev costs to produce games.... That's a hard spot to be in.

This is how I see their future business: mobile apps, amiibo (until the bubble bursts), QoL (medical equipment), movies, merchandise, lisçensing IP's, HW and SW. That should be enough to keep them profitable, I just wonder which portion of this will be the most lucrative.



I'm on Twitter @DanneSandin!

Furthermore, I think VGChartz should add a "Like"-button.