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Leave or remain

Leave 412 53.72%
 
Remain 355 46.28%
 
Total:767

Undecided, weighing up the pros and cons for both sides while trying to avoid some of the absurd, over the top, scaremongering statements. I'm probably leaning more towards stay, safety in the familiar as opposed to the gamble of leaving.



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Whoever said life to be like a box of chocolates clearly didn't know what he was talking about. 

Life is more like a game of bumper cars. At every turn there is a possibility you will get screwed.

I choose leave, yes it might be a hard year or 2 to start off with while the country adjusts to being fully independent and fully in control of itself but in the long run this presents an opputunity to really make something great of it. Look at Norway, Finland and Sweden, those countries are not part of the EU but do have a deal to do trade and business with eu countries freely and every year those countries are voted in the top 10 best countries to live in every year.

We have a chance to to take back control and make our own rules for our own people.



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StokedUp said:
I choose leave, yes it might be a hard year or 2 to start off with while the country adjusts to being fully independent and fully in control of itself but in the long run this presents an opputunity to really make something great of it. Look at Norway, Finland and Sweden, those countries are not part of the EU but do have a deal to do trade and business with eu countries freely and every year those countries are voted in the top 10 best countries to live in every year.

We have a chance to to take back control and make our own rules for our own people.

That's because they do education, tax's and pay differently to Britain. I don't see Britain changing their education system and getting rid of exams or paying you according to your qualifications or experience even if you are a McDonald's worker. Nor do I see everyone happy and willing to pay 40% tax on their earnings. 

 

Those countries also largely stay out of wars and therefore do not get hit by hefty repayments and debt the way Britain does and will continue doing. 

 

Britain is nothing like those countries and never will be. The tories are out to line their pockets not to make Britain great again. 



Whoever said life to be like a box of chocolates clearly didn't know what he was talking about. 

Life is more like a game of bumper cars. At every turn there is a possibility you will get screwed.

StokedUp said:
I choose leave, yes it might be a hard year or 2 to start off with while the country adjusts to being fully independent and fully in control of itself but in the long run this presents an opputunity to really make something great of it. Look at Norway, Finland and Sweden, those countries are not part of the EU but do have a deal to do trade and business with eu countries freely and every year those countries are voted in the top 10 best countries to live in every year.

We have a chance to to take back control and make our own rules for our own people.

Those countries also had to sign up to the freedom of movement in order to access the EU single market, so that would make a mockery of a big reason that people will vote to leave. The idea that we will get as good a trade deal outside as we have in seems pretty unlikely, and UK businesses that export to the EU will still have to adhere to EU regulations in order to trade. So what exactly does that leave? That we will somehow be stronger on our own rather than being part of the second largest economy in the world? There will always be pros and cons, but to me it seems the benefits of being in the EU outweigh the negatives.



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think-man said:
I vote remain, I'm a British citizen by decent. Though I class myself as a New Zealander (Born and breed) I recently got my British passport and I wish to work and love in Europe. This would destroy that dream for me.

Us Leaving the EU doesn't mean you can't do those things.... 



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gedge72 said:
StokedUp said:
I choose leave, yes it might be a hard year or 2 to start off with while the country adjusts to being fully independent and fully in control of itself but in the long run this presents an opputunity to really make something great of it. Look at Norway, Finland and Sweden, those countries are not part of the EU but do have a deal to do trade and business with eu countries freely and every year those countries are voted in the top 10 best countries to live in every year.

We have a chance to to take back control and make our own rules for our own people.

Those countries also had to sign up to the freedom of movement in order to access the EU single market, so that would make a mockery of a big reason that people will vote to leave. The idea that we will get as good a trade deal outside as we have in seems pretty unlikely, and UK businesses that export to the EU will still have to adhere to EU regulations in order to trade. So what exactly does that leave? That we will somehow be stronger on our own rather than being part of the second largest economy in the world? There will always be pros and cons, but to me it seems the benefits of being in the EU outweigh the negatives.

The EU is not the second largest economy , the EU only did better than Antarctica in terms of growth last year which is terrible. 

If we leave we can set up deals with the commonwealth and others, leaving the EU doesn't mean we will stop doing trade with the EU , the EU need us more than we need them, we import more than we sell..

 



StokedUp said:
I choose leave, yes it might be a hard year or 2 to start off with while the country adjusts to being fully independent and fully in control of itself but in the long run this presents an opputunity to really make something great of it. Look at Norway, Finland and Sweden, those countries are not part of the EU but do have a deal to do trade and business with eu countries freely and every year those countries are voted in the top 10 best countries to live in every year.

We have a chance to to take back control and make our own rules for our own people.

Finland and Sweden ARE part of the EU.



I'm not british, but I hope people will vote to stay in Europe.

I don't think that Britain or the EU will collapse if the UK leaves, but I do think it will weaken both.

Here are my thoughts on why the UK should stay:
1. Trade
The EU is a big market. The EU without the UK is a smaller yet still a big market. The UK outside of the EU is a much smaller market. Who do you think has the better chances in negotiations with the two biggest worldwide competing markets (China and the USA), the EU with the UK, the EU without the UK or just the UK? It's also likely that the banking sector in London will shrink considerably, as the UK as a market has become less attractive.

2. Less influence
Just by leaving the EU doesn't mean you'll have a bigger voice in the world, a bigger voice in world wide economics or even local economics. The UK will most likely stil be forced to live by rules set up by the EU, the USA or China. Inside the EU the UK at least can influence what the EU is trying to do. Look at Norway, they aren't in the EU and still have to abide to rules set by the EU without having any say.

3. The EU needs a UK that is commited to the idea of the EU
Lets face it, the UK so far was never really convinced of the project, at least not to the extent that Germany and France are/were. The UK only wanted to join the EU for economic benefits, and because the UK is part of Europe, and the EU wants a united Europe, they were willing to allow the UK to cherry pick what they wanted so the UK would join. This has led to the UK never feeling like they really belonged in the EU (eventhough, imo they do).
As long as it was smooth sailing the UK was willing to put up with it.
But now that it's rough sailing, and the EU is having one crisis after another (Greece, Ukraine leading to a trade/propaganda war with Russia, refugee crisis), and the use of the EU as a scapegoat for national deficiencies has become popular, leading to the rise of nationalist parties, this feeling of not belonging leads to the feeling of needing to leave.

I really hope the UK will vote yes and then show more commitment to the European idea and help find the right direction for the EU. The UK and the EU has more to gain if they work together.



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