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Forums - Politics Discussion - Economic migrants from Africa flooding Europe! This needs to stop!

 

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Yes, these people aren't... 111 54.68%
 
No, they're refugees, an... 49 24.14%
 
We shouldn't encourage t... 43 21.18%
 
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Ruler said:

I could also change the title to:
Plundered recources from Africa flooding Europe and America! This needs to stop!

Well who else is gonna get those resources if you cant get them yourself? So instead blaming African countries for not being able to mine resources, you are just gonna completely avoid the issue and just blame whites? Well bravo sir, and gl with that white guilt.



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Part of me wants to protest at the OP, but another part of me knows very well that he really has a point.

What I don't like about the talk about the current wave of migration here in Germany for example is the fact that the "Gutmenschen" treat those migrants as a homogeneous mass. To them, every migrant coming here is now a uniform "refugee", unwilling to differentiate between people actually seeking for asylum, people fleeing from war (which, despite what most people believe, is NOT a valid reason for asylum, according to international law), and people simply coming for economic reasons, to improve their economic situation.

The good news is - there is a simple solution to solve a major part of the problem: Do not allow "refugees" to select their destination country themselves. While that won't put "true refugees" off, who are fleeing from actual wars with a kind of "all I want is to be out of the war zone in my home country, absolutely any place is better" attitude, it is a major show-stopper for people who are really just interested in going to a few very rich countries like Germany, Sweden etc.
There's no good reason why non-european migrants should have better opportunities than even the europeans themselves: These are born into a european nation randomly, without having a choice at birth, and they cannot simply migrate to another european country of their choice if they prefer to live there; there are still major (mostly economic) obstacles to this, despite the open inner borders within the EU.

BTW, I do not condemn all those north africans trying to go to certain european countries, simply for economic reasons. I would do just the same if I were them!



barneystinson69 said:
Swordmasterman said:

You are listing 2  Countries with the most population and with a Lot of Land Territories. Stop bitching around. Every day my country host countless people from other countries and some from a country  which have less than 1/350 of the Territory of my country you seems like the Housemakers of the South region of my country, Complaning about something that will not change your life  but insteady of taking your thoughts for yourself you spread the hate over those people, Tell for me who is giving "Free Money" for someone ? A lot i Mean really a Lot of those people are Doctors, Teachers (Majority of the People who came from the Haiti are former Doctors in something, or atleast have a University Degree), No one is giving Free Money for anyone they are just giving opportunities for people to work and live their lifes like any Human should live, The Countries who took them will receive back their money with their services for the Society .

 

People from another countries cannot Judge people from other countries but when we have a Nation in Misery near a Nation with Fortune in Abundance it is really Greed and Selfish to let people die in front of you when you could have saved their lifes.

A Country cannot interfere with other Country's affairs otherwise this would lead  to a War, but, they must help other Countries if they can and if the  other Country needs help.

So I may not speak for myself, and I have a right to remain silent and not speak out the truth? This is about Europe, not Brazil. I've seen first hand how integration has failed. In cities like London and Paris, were people seclude themselves from society and try to form factions. You tell me how that can be justified...

So i should use a country where i don't live and don't know how is the True situation of the country ?, My country is one of the countries with the most number of Legal  refugees and people from other countries, I Have the right to say something about this because my country is one of the countries who are open to receive any of those Refugees from, and instead of what some people said on this Thread, Refugees does not spoil the country's Culture it would  take Dozens of Millions to do that and some African Countries were a Colony of those European Countries like Portugal, France, UK. Germany have 80-85+ Millions of citzens UK 60+ Millions France 60-65+ Millions, And even so they cannot afford to take a few Thousands per month ?, Instead of that they should let them die ?.

Regarding Culture, In my country we have a Germany festival in the south of the country, we have the biggest concentration of Japanese people out-side of Japan in the southeast region, this really does not bother me and it did not spoiled my Culture.



hershel_layton said:
setsunatenshi said:

all hail the morally superior right wing that brought us to constant fuck up wars in north africa and the middle east in the first place... oops i mean... let's blame the people actually trying to put a bandaid on things, yeah, that's the ticket.

Let's blame the pieces of shit who always say "look at my! I'm left/right and better than the other group" 99% of the time. Whether if it's directly or indirectly, people need to realize that the ones who force their agendas and look at everything in a black or white manner are the ones who cause issues in society 

How about we stop calling everything even and the 'oh you guys with political views are all the same'?

There are people who cheerlead for war time and time again and get their peckers hard at the thought of bombing foreign countries that they couldn't pinpoint on a map if their life depended on it. How about we keep blaming those assholes over and over again, so the next time the next dark skinned lunatic blows himself up they won't be demanding we nuke Iran or some other country?

I would love to see those same people take responsability now instead of get fake outraged because the 'evil lefties' don't feel good about hundreds of people drowning in the sea and their bodies being brought to our shores.

 

It's quite clear who has been on the right and wrong side of history...



Europe got so wealthy to begin with largely because of taking resources such as oil, cocoa, precious metals, diamonds etc etc etc out of africa to begin with... so perhaps its time to distribute some of that wealth back to the people who should have reaped more of the benefit from it to begin with



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Swordmasterman said:
barneystinson69 said:

So I may not speak for myself, and I have a right to remain silent and not speak out the truth? This is about Europe, not Brazil. I've seen first hand how integration has failed. In cities like London and Paris, were people seclude themselves from society and try to form factions. You tell me how that can be justified...

So i should use a country where i don't live and don't know how is the True situation of the country ?, My country is one of the countries with the most number of Legal  refugees and people from other countries, I Have the right to say something about this because my country is one of the countries who are open to receive any of those Refugees from, and instead of what some people said on this Thread, Refugees does not spoil the country's Culture it would  take Dozens of Millions to do that and some African Countries were a Colony of those European Countries like Portugal, France, UK. Germany have 80-85+ Millions of citzens UK 60+ Millions France 60-65+ Millions, And even so they cannot afford to take a few Thousands per month ?, Instead of that they should let them die ?.

Regarding Culture, In my country we have a Germany festival in the south of the country, we have the biggest concentration of Japanese people out-side of Japan in the southeast region, this really does not bother me and it did not spoiled my Culture.

He is not only talking about culture you know?He is also talking about social integration, fitting into society.that implies:getting along with the europeans, finding job, being useful to the country and so on.And Im sorry, giving your country as an example is a horrible decision(Im assuming you are from Brazil based on your profile).I have some relatives in Brazil, so I have some knoledge about this stuff.So how are those persons that came from Haiti, that came from the earthquake?Arent they still living in proverty?Not only that, there are various reports from illegal immegrants, from Bolivia and another countries, that are treated almost as slaves in illegal activities.Not only that, but they end up living in favelas which, in my opinion, is not a place no human being should live.There is a difference betwenn letting people come in and being able to shelter these individuals.Not to mention the current economical and political situation of Brazil.They should not be taking people in.They should be helping their own citizens.

And regarding your first question, of course you can know about the true situation about a country without living in them.There is something called news, in which you can inform yoursewlf about these things, you know?



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

I agree with you on everything, bringing these people into europe will only esculate the problem, we aren't exactly fixing whatever we Participated to break.

Let us not forget that these refugee's are the majority within their own country.. ISIS is barely reaching 100.000 soldiers which are spread thin..

I think our country wanted to provide Military training and support for the refugee's but they didn't want to fight in the war when we can do it instead.

A person not willing to fix their own country, doesn't want to fight for his own family and help fix the war doesn't deserve help at all. Invade my fucking country and i would go down fighting, it's the matter of principle's, we don't get anything handed to us, either our ancestors fought for our freedom or we should..

When Europe falls under the economic stress, the world have barely recovered from the last finacial crysis, we would immigrate to other parts of the world, esculating it.

Don't listen to them damn naive, ignorant kids who are happy to help, as long as it doesn't hurt their personal economics.. People here aren't used to poverty so their tunnel-vision will not go longer then what benefit them atm.



 

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Nautilus said:
Swordmasterman said:

So i should use a country where i don't live and don't know how is the True situation of the country ?, My country is one of the countries with the most number of Legal  refugees and people from other countries, I Have the right to say something about this because my country is one of the countries who are open to receive any of those Refugees from, and instead of what some people said on this Thread, Refugees does not spoil the country's Culture it would  take Dozens of Millions to do that and some African Countries were a Colony of those European Countries like Portugal, France, UK. Germany have 80-85+ Millions of citzens UK 60+ Millions France 60-65+ Millions, And even so they cannot afford to take a few Thousands per month ?, Instead of that they should let them die ?.

Regarding Culture, In my country we have a Germany festival in the south of the country, we have the biggest concentration of Japanese people out-side of Japan in the southeast region, this really does not bother me and it did not spoiled my Culture.

He is not only talking about culture you know?He is also talking about social integration, fitting into society.that implies:getting along with the europeans, finding job, being useful to the country and so on.And Im sorry, giving your country as an example is a horrible decision(Im assuming you are from Brazil based on your profile).I have some relatives in Brazil, so I have some knoledge about this stuff.So how are those persons that came from Haiti, that came from the earthquake?Arent they still living in proverty?Not only that, there are various reports from illegal immegrants, from Bolivia and another countries, that are treated almost as slaves in illegal activities.Not only that, but they end up living in favelas which, in my opinion, is not a place no human being should live.There is a difference betwenn letting people come in and being able to shelter these individuals.Not to mention the current economical and political situation of Brazil.They should not be taking people in.They should be helping their own citizens.

And regarding your first question, of course you can know about the true situation about a country without living in them.There is something called news, in which you can inform yoursewlf about these things, you know?

Like any other country my country have Ilegal Refugees but also have a lot of Legal Refugees, isn't hard to get a Refugee's licence in my country and when people are from Certain they Automatically get their Licence, And there is a difference between the Favelas and some favelas have very rich people living within it.

I Said "and instead of what some people said on this Thread, Refugees does not spoil the country's Culture " this means that i'm not directly refering to who i'm talking to.

The exemples you gave are of Bolivia and Haiti, the refugees came from the North more precisely in the State of the Acre (a state which once was a part of Bolivia) one of the states with less money of Brazil and very close to Amazon, the State is the one who take care of the Refugees and if the refugee get into the Southeast region (the richest region og my country) they get support from the Government but they suffer from racism and is hard to get a job but most of them  find a job.

 

And Regarding your response regarding my first question, You will never know the true state and problems of a Country if you don't live in that country, News are most of the Times Biased and distorts the reality, Look at my country, The politic news are so biased towards the opposition that is really silly  and Majority of the news channels pick a Random misfortune and overreact during the entire News.

 

You cannot know a country without living in the country and speaking with the people of the country.



Swordmasterman said:
Nautilus said:

He is not only talking about culture you know?He is also talking about social integration, fitting into society.that implies:getting along with the europeans, finding job, being useful to the country and so on.And Im sorry, giving your country as an example is a horrible decision(Im assuming you are from Brazil based on your profile).I have some relatives in Brazil, so I have some knoledge about this stuff.So how are those persons that came from Haiti, that came from the earthquake?Arent they still living in proverty?Not only that, there are various reports from illegal immegrants, from Bolivia and another countries, that are treated almost as slaves in illegal activities.Not only that, but they end up living in favelas which, in my opinion, is not a place no human being should live.There is a difference betwenn letting people come in and being able to shelter these individuals.Not to mention the current economical and political situation of Brazil.They should not be taking people in.They should be helping their own citizens.

And regarding your first question, of course you can know about the true situation about a country without living in them.There is something called news, in which you can inform yoursewlf about these things, you know?

Like any other country my country have Ilegal Refugees but also have a lot of Legal Refugees, isn't hard to get a Refugee's licence in my country and when people are from Certain they Automatically get their Licence, And there is a difference between the Favelas and some favelas have very rich people living within it.

I Said "and instead of what some people said on this Thread, Refugees does not spoil the country's Culture " this means that i'm not directly refering to who i'm talking to.

The exemples you gave are of Bolivia and Haiti, the refugees came from the North more precisely in the State of the Acre (a state which once was a part of Bolivia) one of the states with less money of Brazil and very close to Amazon, the State is the one who take care of the Refugees and if the refugee get into the Southeast region (the richest region og my country) they get support from the Government but they suffer from racism and is hard to get a job but most of them  find a job.

 

And Regarding your response regarding my first question, You will never know the true state and problems of a Country if you don't live in that country, News are most of the Times Biased and distorts the reality, Look at my country, The politic news are so biased towards the opposition that is really silly  and Majority of the news channels pick a Random misfortune and overreact during the entire News.

 

You cannot know a country without living in the country and speaking with the people of the country.

Not only in Acre, the ones send to Sao Paulo from Acre still suffers from poverty and live in streets/favelas.At least until a while ago.Im pretty well informed about this.I mean, its not like the percentage of people living in proverty in Brazil is high... oh no it surely is not..... they certainly can spare money for the rest of the world.

And very rich people live in favelas?Where the hell did you take that from?Who with a sane mind would live in a place that have a much lower quality of life(and I mean MUCH lower) when you can have your own actual house and apartment(because you actually dont own a favela, since most favelas were built in invaded property, dont fool yourself).As I said, I have relatives in Brazil, so I keep myself well informed.

And about news being biased lol.I mean, that happens eversywhere in the world sure, but saying they are biased towards the opposition?All the time?I guess you are also the one that a "coup" happened over there right?lol

Getting back to the topic before I derail even more,since you were answering his post, I though that the "culture of the country isnt affected by the immigrants" was directed to him, since you know, you were answering to him.But I will grant you that you cant fully know how a country works without living on it for a while.But you can have a pretty good idea if you follow the news, specially when it comes to its current economical/political affairs.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Nautilus said:
Swordmasterman said:

Like any other country my country have Ilegal Refugees but also have a lot of Legal Refugees, isn't hard to get a Refugee's licence in my country and when people are from Certain they Automatically get their Licence, And there is a difference between the Favelas and some favelas have very rich people living within it.

I Said "and instead of what some people said on this Thread, Refugees does not spoil the country's Culture " this means that i'm not directly refering to who i'm talking to.

The exemples you gave are of Bolivia and Haiti, the refugees came from the North more precisely in the State of the Acre (a state which once was a part of Bolivia) one of the states with less money of Brazil and very close to Amazon, the State is the one who take care of the Refugees and if the refugee get into the Southeast region (the richest region og my country) they get support from the Government but they suffer from racism and is hard to get a job but most of them  find a job.

 

And Regarding your response regarding my first question, You will never know the true state and problems of a Country if you don't live in that country, News are most of the Times Biased and distorts the reality, Look at my country, The politic news are so biased towards the opposition that is really silly  and Majority of the news channels pick a Random misfortune and overreact during the entire News.

 

You cannot know a country without living in the country and speaking with the people of the country.

Not only in Acre, the ones send to Sao Paulo from Acre still suffers from poverty and live in streets/favelas.At least until a while ago.Im pretty well informed about this.I mean, its not like the percentage of people living in proverty in Brazil is high... oh no it surely is not..... they certainly can spare money for the rest of the world.

And very rich people live in favelas?Where the hell did you take that from?Who with a sane mind would live in a place that have a much lower quality of life(and I mean MUCH lower) when you can have your own actual house and apartment(because you actually dont own a favela, since most favelas were built in invaded property, dont fool yourself).As I said, I have relatives in Brazil, so I keep myself well informed.

And about news being biased lol.I mean, that happens eversywhere in the world sure, but saying they are biased towards the opposition?All the time?I guess you are also the one that a "coup" happened over there right?lol

Getting back to the topic before I derail even more,since you were answering his post, I though that the "culture of the country isnt affected by the immigrants" was directed to him, since you know, you were answering to him.But I will grant you that you cant fully know how a country works without living on it for a while.But you can have a pretty good idea if you follow the news, specially when it comes to its current economical/political affairs.

I Think that we are having a problem of Communication here, i stated "Look at my country, The politic news are so biased towards the opposition that is really silly  and Majority of the news channels pick a Random misfortune and overreact during the entire News." i live here so i know what is Biased.

Newspaper and News channels are Biased and in most of times they overreact just like the Youtube Channels who make Click Bait videos or any Click Bait  article, they need the views to get money so they will aways distort it.

Of course Businessman are not famous but a lot os famous Actors, Actress, Musicians, still live in Favelas or near it and don't fool yourself because a Regular house on a Favela  on the Main cities of the country (Sao Paulo, and Rio de Janeiro) cost more than 35-50 Thousands US$ at the least and some cost up to Millions of US$, some Favelas are near the  place where have the Highest cost per Square Meter (where it Often cost Dozens of Thousands US$ per Square Meter).

 

And Businesman of the Main Cities's Favelas are very rich because of the Tourists, everything is Overpriced.

 

The North region is indeed very poor but the South, Southeast, and the Federal District have a lot of money and business opportunities.