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Einsam_Delphin said:
Captain_Yuri said:

It is different because a) Not every game gets bundled and b) The bundles are super limited during launch... When Mario Kart 8 bundle launched, it was out of stock super quickly without being in stock for months. Thats not because people kept on buying them but rather cause Nintendo wasn't resupplying them. Not to mention that not every country even gets bundles either and there is a reason for all of that which is that they are losing sales. And sure, its one game but people would buy that game regardless due to how great the games have been but now, they would just get it for free.

And its hardly spread thin if its Mario Kart or Smash Bros which sell over 5 million each and far exceed the sales of their other franchises... And not to mention that some of those bundles cost more than the base price of the wiiU. Oh and it's also a gamble... If the NX flops and they are scrambling for money and they are giving out one of their biggest games for free... RIP

 

Most all the major sellers do, and it doesn't make a difference as long as bundles are always available, which in the 3DS and Wii U's case they have been for years.

"And its hardly spread thin if its Mario Kart or Smash Bros which sell over 5 million each and far exceed the sales of their other franchises..."

Not sure what you're getting at here. Are you implying essentially 100+ bundles will have the same division of sales loss as 4-5 bundles? Just an example, instead of NSMBU losing out on the 1 million sales it likely has from being bundled, it would lose 800k while Pikmin 3 Ioses 100k and Xenoblade loses 100k with my idea. In the end the same amount of sales are being lost so it doesn't really matter.

"And sure, its one game but people would buy that game regardless due to how great the games have been but now, they would just get it for free."

"If the NX flops and they are scrambling for money and they are giving out one of their biggest games for free... RIP"

This logic applies to all bundles. The point is to help the console sell so the games can.

It does make a difference because games sell the most during launch and sell significantly less as time moves on so if a game gets bundled later on in its life or gets restocked, they aren't really losing money...

What I was implying is... Most people would just save up for MK and SSB and not those smaller games and Nintendo would lose out on major profits. The people that buy MK and SSB aren't going to buy games like Pikmin and Xenoblade and the sales prove that. Nintendo won't be gaining those sales back through other games because people don't buy other games to the same extent as MK and SSB. People aren't gonna buy niche games just cause they got a big game for free... Most people would just use it for SSB and MK Nintendo would lose profits. SSB or MK sales are far more profitable the most of their niche games combined.

"This logic applies to all bundles. The point is to help the console sell so the games can."

Not really because of how Nintendo does their bundles... Their bundles are always very low in stock at launch so they can make the most amount of profit from the retail sales of the games themselves. After a few months since the game is out, they restock their bundles because the game is no longer selling as high as it once was. With your idea, their most profitable games would lose a good chunk of their profits due to the free game thing since most people don't care about their niche games and will just use it for one of the big games and be happy with it.

Really it would just be... Loss sales in either MK, SSB, Mario or Splatoon and people buying those wouldn't buy their niche games.



                  

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That idea is quite good, actually. Very pro-consumer. People who mock it might have forgotten that gamers don't buy a console for just one game. The free game functions just as an appetizer and should be an incentive to buy more games to have more fun. That's not too hard to understand.



Captain_Yuri said:

It does make a difference because games sell the most during launch and sell significantly less as time moves on so if a game gets bundled later on in its life or gets restocked, they aren't really losing money...

What I was implying is... Most people would just save up for MK and SSB and not those smaller games and Nintendo would lose out on major profits. The people that buy MK and SSB aren't going to buy games like Pikmin and Xenoblade and the sales prove that. Nintendo won't be gaining those sales back through other games because people don't buy other games to the same extent as MK and SSB. People aren't gonna buy niche games just cause they got a big game for free... Most people would just use it for SSB and MK Nintendo would lose profits. SSB or MK sales are far more profitable the most of their niche games combined.

"This logic applies to all bundles. The point is to help the console sell so the games can."

Not really because of how Nintendo does their bundles... Their bundles are always very low in stock at launch so they can make the most amount of profit from the retail sales of the games themselves. After a few months since the game is out, they restock their bundles because the game is no longer selling as high as it once was. With your idea, their most profitable games would lose a good chunk of their profits due to the free game thing since most people don't care about their niche games and will just use it for one of the big games and be happy with it.

Really it would just be... Loss sales in either MK, SSB, Mario or Splatoon and people buying those wouldn't buy their niche games.

 

Yes they are, as long as they have a game bundled with the console they're losing potential money, atleast in a not big picture sense. 

Are you implying that everyone buys Nintendo systems solely for one game which is either Smash or Kart? (It's "or" not "and," bundle is one game only) Yes sales do prove otherwise, that they have plenty of other big names like Animal Crossing, Pokemon, Splatoon and plenty of games that while not huge sell well enough, so most people don't buy a system for one game and not everyone even gets Smash or Kart. If people really did as you're saying, then why aren't they doing it right now? I know both MK7 and MK8 are bundled at good deals right now, yet other games are still selling like normal.

There's always a bundle available, so they must still be buying one even if they're not getting one for the newest game. If they really wanted only the most profits, why even have any bundles at all? Again most people don't buy a system only for one game, and even if that were true, how is buying a NX and using the code on Mario Kart 9 any different from buying a MK8 Wii U bundle?

Well that's no different from right now since the only bundled games are big ones.



NX will definitely be bundled with some game, but I dont expect some new, huge, must have game that will sell millions in any case like Zelda, because why would Nintendo bundled Zelda with console when they can easily sell few milon's of standalone Zelda game at price of $60. At least not at launch.
But for launch I can easily see NX be bundled with some Wii U port like Smash or something similar or with something similar to Wii Sports or Nintendo Land.



Einsam_Delphin said:
Captain_Yuri said:

It does make a difference because games sell the most during launch and sell significantly less as time moves on so if a game gets bundled later on in its life or gets restocked, they aren't really losing money...

What I was implying is... Most people would just save up for MK and SSB and not those smaller games and Nintendo would lose out on major profits. The people that buy MK and SSB aren't going to buy games like Pikmin and Xenoblade and the sales prove that. Nintendo won't be gaining those sales back through other games because people don't buy other games to the same extent as MK and SSB. People aren't gonna buy niche games just cause they got a big game for free... Most people would just use it for SSB and MK Nintendo would lose profits. SSB or MK sales are far more profitable the most of their niche games combined.

"This logic applies to all bundles. The point is to help the console sell so the games can."

Not really because of how Nintendo does their bundles... Their bundles are always very low in stock at launch so they can make the most amount of profit from the retail sales of the games themselves. After a few months since the game is out, they restock their bundles because the game is no longer selling as high as it once was. With your idea, their most profitable games would lose a good chunk of their profits due to the free game thing since most people don't care about their niche games and will just use it for one of the big games and be happy with it.

Really it would just be... Loss sales in either MK, SSB, Mario or Splatoon and people buying those wouldn't buy their niche games.

 

Yes they are, as long as they have a game bundled with the console they're losing potential money, atleast in a not big picture sense. 

Are you implying that everyone buys Nintendo systems solely for one game which is either Smash or Kart? (It's "or" not "and," bundle is one game only) Yes sales do prove otherwise, that they have plenty of other big names like Animal Crossing, Pokemon, Splatoon and plenty of games that while not huge sell well enough, so most people don't buy a system for one game and not everyone even gets Smash or Kart. If people really did as you're saying, then why aren't they doing it right now? I know both MK7 and MK8 are bundled at good deals right now, yet other games are still selling like normal.

There's always a bundle available, so they must still be buying one even if they're not getting one for the newest game. If they really wanted only the most profits, why even have any bundles at all? Again most people don't buy a system only for one game, and even if that were true, how is buying a NX and using the code on Mario Kart 9 any different from buying a MK8 Wii U bundle?

Well that's no different from right now since the only bundled games are big ones.

Well its not even close compared to if they were to do initially... (And kept it in stock.)

I was not, I was implying that people buy the console for the few big games and not the smaller niche games... According to vgc, most people on the wiiU buy MK, SSB, Splatoon (now) and Mario platformer games (and some others if we are including handheld)... Those are Nintendo's big profits and the thing is, people don't need a "free" game incentive to buy them since anyone that buys a Nintendo console would buy those anyway. But the issue is that with the free game thing Nintendo would lose profits on their major titles without getting much in return because the people that would have bought them anyway are now just getting their favorite one for free. I get that the point is to push the console but free Nintendo game isn't gonna make those that that don't care about Nintendo games buy a Nintendo console and those that care are gonna buy it regardless...

"There's always a bundle available"

No there isn't... Not at launch of a blah game... For most bundles that happen at launch of a blah game for Nintendo, they get out of stock quickly and never return in stock until months later... If they were restocking the bundles, then the hardware sales of the wiiU would be a lot higher...

Again, it is different because the way Nintendo does bundles for their major games is they have a really low stock at launch of the game and only resupply them months later after their peak sales so that they don't really lose much profit at all comparatively.. Where as with ur idea, they would lose profit because the biggest fans of blah major game would use their free game pass and not actually buy the game.

Anyway we are going around in circles so... #TheEnd4Me



                  

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Einsam_Delphin said:

You keep telling yourself that while I play on my free digital copy of Pikmin 3, and while we're at it, DKCTF aswell.


Getting one game free for a limited time from a very limited pool of old games is completely different from having a lifetime coupon to any free game on the platform. The world doesn't work like that. Nintendo is not a charity.



Hmm, it's an interesting idea. Although I think you'd need to scale it back some. Limit the software to launch games. And shrink the time period to a three month window. Maybe something like:

"Purchase the NX console from March 2017 to May 2017 and choose your bundled game. Do you want to explore Hyrule with the swordsman Link? Or maybe save the planet in Pikmin 4? Or go toe-to-toe with friends in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate? The choice is yours!"



Choose your own game would be lovely, but it doesn't work that well because a lot of people lack imagination. You need to show them and give them something tangible for them to value it.



Captain_Yuri said:

Anyway we are going around in circles so... #TheEnd4Me

 

Very well, I doubt this will happen anyway so no need to argue seriously over it.

 

spemanig said:

Getting one game free for a limited time from a very limited pool of old games is completely different from having a lifetime coupon to any free game on the platform. The world doesn't work like that. Nintendo is not a charity.

 

Hence similar.

 

Veknoid_Outcast said:

Hmm, it's an interesting idea. Although I think you'd need to scale it back some. Limit the software to launch games. And shrink the time period to a three month window. Maybe something like:

"Purchase the NX console from March 2017 to May 2017 and choose your bundled game. Do you want to explore Hyrule with the swordsman Link? Or maybe save the planet in Pikmin 4? Or go toe-to-toe with friends in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate? The choice is yours!"

 

Since the main point is to get people on board the NX asap I guess yeah it doesn't need to last the whole gen, but I figure they may aswell unless they don't plan on doing any other bundles.



Similar to what Sony did with the PS4 and third party titles? Not a bad idea. Nintendo very much needs to add the perception of value if they want to grow their installed base. I'd argue that they really need to make the choices varied--and I mean real variety. Get Bayonetta 3 in there. List an RPG. Even better, include a popular IP standard.