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Kerotan on 20 May 2016
LudicrousSpeed said:
Swordmasterman said:

I Gave a random number just for Example, it could have sold 80+ Millions and now will sell 1-2 Millions but we will never know because the first case will never happen.

And I will just repeat that there is no logical reason for such a large dropoff. The game is great, it will release during the holidays, there will be even more PS4 users out there to sell to than there was in 2015. It's going to sell very well. Of course, whatever the sales are, some ITT will just come in and say it could have been double or triple that if not for the deal, but it's nonsense.

This is the exact opposite of SFV, which is not a good game, had an abysmal launch, and is overstocked on shelves everywhere. People claim it will have great legs, but it will do so at massively discounted prices and with lots of used copies on the shelf. In other words, not the kind of legs that are good for Capcom. Outside of how bad the exclusive deal was for them, they really blew the launch.

Low meanwhile ROTTR is on amazon for just $7.50 right now on the X1. Not such a revenue beast either. 

 

The game would have sold a lot of copies on ps4 at $60. Apart from the fact it will sell a lot less,  it will take in even less revenue due to lower launch price. 

 

Both deals were shite for Sony and MS, but it was worst for SE than capcom.  As you say SFV was never going to sell a lot because it wasn't a good game,  capcom did very well to get that funded by Sony.  But SE have blown a lot of good sales for a good game. 



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Swordmasterman on 20 May 2016
Kerotan said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

And I will just repeat that there is no logical reason for such a large dropoff. The game is great, it will release during the holidays, there will be even more PS4 users out there to sell to than there was in 2015. It's going to sell very well. Of course, whatever the sales are, some ITT will just come in and say it could have been double or triple that if not for the deal, but it's nonsense.

This is the exact opposite of SFV, which is not a good game, had an abysmal launch, and is overstocked on shelves everywhere. People claim it will have great legs, but it will do so at massively discounted prices and with lots of used copies on the shelf. In other words, not the kind of legs that are good for Capcom. Outside of how bad the exclusive deal was for them, they really blew the launch.

Low meanwhile ROTTR is on amazon for just $7.50 right now on the X1. Not such a revenue beast either. 

 

The game would have sold a lot of copies on ps4 at $60. Apart from the fact it will sell a lot less,  it will take in even less revenue due to lower launch price. 

 

Both deals were shite for Sony and MS, but it was worst for SE than capcom.  As you say SFV was never going to sell a lot because it wasn't a good game,  capcom did very well to get that funded by Sony.  But SE have blown a lot of good sales for a good game. 

Square Enix is much bigger than Capcom, they can afford any Mistakes but Capcom cannot afford any.



Mr Puggsly on 20 May 2016
Kerotan said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

And I will just repeat that there is no logical reason for such a large dropoff. The game is great, it will release during the holidays, there will be even more PS4 users out there to sell to than there was in 2015. It's going to sell very well. Of course, whatever the sales are, some ITT will just come in and say it could have been double or triple that if not for the deal, but it's nonsense.

This is the exact opposite of SFV, which is not a good game, had an abysmal launch, and is overstocked on shelves everywhere. People claim it will have great legs, but it will do so at massively discounted prices and with lots of used copies on the shelf. In other words, not the kind of legs that are good for Capcom. Outside of how bad the exclusive deal was for them, they really blew the launch.

Low meanwhile ROTTR is on amazon for just $7.50 right now on the X1. Not such a revenue beast either. 

The game would have sold a lot of copies on ps4 at $60. Apart from the fact it will sell a lot less,  it will take in even less revenue due to lower launch price. 

Both deals were shite for Sony and MS, but it was worst for SE than capcom.  As you say SFV was never going to sell a lot because it wasn't a good game,  capcom did very well to get that funded by Sony.  But SE have blown a lot of good sales for a good game. 

RotTR is not $7.50. So wrong as usual.

I suspect this holiday we'll see a GotY edition for $60 with season pass content on both consoles.



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LudicrousSpeed on 20 May 2016

I think he's confusing the digital version of the reboot remaster with the newer game.

Anyways Kerotan I'm done going back and forth on this. I'll just bump when TR releases on PS4 and sells millions. People always use Capcoms supposed dire financial straits to defend the exclusive deal, if they are really that strapped for cash then those Xbone sales and microtransaction revenue are a huge deal no matter how small you make them out to be :)



Swordmasterman on 20 May 2016
LudicrousSpeed said:
I think he's confusing the digital version of the reboot remaster with the newer game.

Anyways Kerotan I'm done going back and forth on this. I'll just bump when TR releases on PS4 and sells millions. People always use Capcoms supposed dire financial straits to defend the exclusive deal, if they are really that strapped for cash then those Xbone sales and microtransaction revenue are a huge deal no matter how small you make them out to be :)

Next Fiscal Year when capcom release their numbers (or if they release it sooner) Street Fighter V will have sold 3+ Millions on PS4, i don't see Tomb Raider selling much more than it already sold on Xbox One.



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Mr Puggsly on 20 May 2016
Swordmasterman said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
I think he's confusing the digital version of the reboot remaster with the newer game.

Anyways Kerotan I'm done going back and forth on this. I'll just bump when TR releases on PS4 and sells millions. People always use Capcoms supposed dire financial straits to defend the exclusive deal, if they are really that strapped for cash then those Xbone sales and microtransaction revenue are a huge deal no matter how small you make them out to be :)

Next Fiscal Year when capcom release their numbers (or if they release it sooner) Street Fighter V will have sold 3+ Millions on PS4, i don't see Tomb Raider selling much more than it already sold on Xbox One.

Sounds like you predict a lot of copies in the bargain bin.

As I mentioned before. RotTR and and SFV have similar legs right now. So your prediction is a bit high.



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Kerotan on 20 May 2016
LudicrousSpeed said:
I think he's confusing the digital version of the reboot remaster with the newer game.

Anyways Kerotan I'm done going back and forth on this. I'll just bump when TR releases on PS4 and sells millions. People always use Capcoms supposed dire financial straits to defend the exclusive deal, if they are really that strapped for cash then those Xbone sales and microtransaction revenue are a huge deal no matter how small you make them out to be :)

Lol I'll pop a bottle of champagne to celebrate if the ps4 version sells more.  Have to say as ps4 fan this gen has been an absolute joy.  Long may it last! 

@Puggsly I didn't double check but I was probably wrong mixing the them up.  I was right about the other stuff though.  I stuck to my guns but you've said contradicting things regarding the situation.  I'm not sure what you believe.  On one hand you agree with me but on the other you keep trying to disagree.  



Swordmasterman on 20 May 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
Swordmasterman said:

Next Fiscal Year when capcom release their numbers (or if they release it sooner) Street Fighter V will have sold 3+ Millions on PS4, i don't see Tomb Raider selling much more than it already sold on Xbox One.

Sounds like you predict a lot of copies in the bargain bin.

As I mentioned before. RotTR and and SFV have similar legs right now. So your prediction is a bit high.

They don't have the same legs, Street Fighter V will not die like Tomb Raider died in January, the game will have a big Update in June and this will boost sales.

Tomb Raider does not have nothing to boost the sales of the Xbox One's Version.



Mr Puggsly on 20 May 2016

 

Kerotan said:

 

@Puggsly I didn't double check but I was probably wrong mixing the too up.  I was right about the other stuff though.  I stuck to my guns but you've said contradicting things regarding the situation.  I'm not sure what you believe.  On one hand you agree with me but on the other you keep trying to disagree.  

You werent "probably" wrong. You were wrong, you can't even admit when youre objectively wrong.

I'm not contradicting. My feeling has been exclusivity is bad for IPs because they completely miss an audience that wants that game. Which is a big reason I feel RotTR is in a better position.



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Mr Puggsly on 20 May 2016
Swordmasterman said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Sounds like you predict a lot of copies in the bargain bin.

As I mentioned before. RotTR and and SFV have similar legs right now. So your prediction is a bit high.

They don't have the same legs, Street Fighter V will not die like Tomb Raider died in January, the game will have a big Update in June and this will boost sales.

Tomb Raider does not have nothing to boost the sales of the Xbox One's Version.

Lets wait and see. New characters havent stimulated much interest.

The story mode is going to do great in YouTube views.



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