Looper was ok, not that big on story. But if you like Looper, you should watch Predestination. It's more story focussed and much better imo. Best not to know anything about it before watching, simply enjoy.

Tomorrow the Force will be with me.

What? If you felt "gender representation was forced" you must have been looking for it the entire movie.

This is a load of BS.

This movie has me sad. It is very very much a rehash of A New Hope. They should have called it A Newest Hope to imform movie goers that this is as original as the Robocop remake. That being said, it is a good movie, but under the OT and RoTS.

Looking for it no,  it was just blatantly obvious, the forced part is in reference to each scene have 50/50. Don't know how you could of missed it since it's right their in your face, but hey some people can be oblivious to certain things, it's only natural. But if you don't believe then, or think I'm talking BS, then I compel you to go see the movie again, I'm pretty certain you'll see what I'm talking about even if you admit or not.

I guess I may have just given you the excuse to go see the movie again, i would like your opinion on you second watch.

Sorry about the spoiler thing, I figured people would follow the conversation and know it may be headed towards spoiler territory since the person I was replying to had spoilers in their post, but as suggested I've added spailer marks to points 10 and 11.

1. No, if you read point 3, and which I iterated on point 7, I was criticising the story, the poor character development, and the deus ex machinas and it's these reasons why I disliked the movie. Me pointing out political correctness was just pointing out the obvious since it stuck out like a sore thumb but it itself  had no bearing on the story, character development, or deus machina.

2.  That's the problem, when looking at the micro scale of just the one movie, one could argue that's it's just a female lead and nothing more, I would tend to agree with you since it could just be a narrative choice, but once you zoom out to the maco and see the larger picture, it seems to be happening across the board. For some examples take a look at the recent fantastic 4 movie, Johnny Storm The Human Torch, he was white but now they made him black cuz reasons, or how about Salt with Angelina Jolie, it was originally a male character in the books but now female in the movie cuz reasons, or how about Mad Max? where Max was religated to a background character in his own supposed movie, like I said this is now becoming a trend.  In regards to Mad Max I actually liked the movie, but I think it would of been better served had they just cut out  Max and focused on Furiosa's back story rather than waist it on max who...well...was poorly written and just took up valuable time, They could of released another mad max movie staring max himself, with a 3rd movie were they both team up or something....you know like a new trilogy, I mean it could still be done but I doubt it.

To sum up my point, it seems like if a movie tries to cater towards the male demographic they need to hamfist in females cuz reasons, the market is clearly big enough for movies to cater to everyone without the need to hamfist and gender bend, or race bend characters because of politocal correctness. Black characters exist, female characters exist, so make their own movies. I'd love to see another spawn movie with Al simmons, I'd love to see a dedicated movie to Marvels Black panther, or how about a dedicated moive of wonder woman. If they fail due to market forces then so be it, but if they succeed then it's a win win for everybody, the more movie diversity as a whole the better, but trying to homogenise everything takes away from the potential unique characters and story lines that could be told, but hey this is just my opinion on the matter.

3. I do agree that JJ played it safe, I wish he didn't and would have taken a risk but we got what we got. Also I wouldn't take rotten tomatoes as gospel, there are many terrible movies which are highly rated like Indiana Jones & The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull and Justin Bieber: Never Say Never, as for why it worked, that's simple, tons of advertisment and nostalgia with the hope of having a good star wars movie after the prequels would do that, which is why I suggest that people to remove the nostalgia goggles for a bit when looking at this movie. Your wrong about me not liking certain parts of the movie, just read my original post, I literally wrote "...what saved it a little for me and moved it into the mediocre level was the nostalgia of old characters, some genuine funny moments, action sequences and visual effects."

4. I never once criticised the actors or their performance, in fact I agree with you, they did a fantasitc job, so why you brought this up is beyond me, and again I only pointed out the 50/50 representation because it looked ham fisted and forced,also because it seemed half assed when it came to the First Order and their representation or lack their of.

5. My whole point was the portrayal of white people being evil with the only black guy, Fin, shown to swap sides, while I agree that the first order do kidnap and brainwash children for their army from any race, gender, or species, what they actually showed however was just whites in charge. Again I brought this up because race doesn't mean anything when were talking about intergalactic species and yet the rebellion had clear race distictions shown as good where as the first order had only whites shown shown as evil.

6. I agree with you, as for me exagerating, it's possible but after sleeping on it I feel the same way, simply the movie didn't click with me like it did with others, I may be in the minority here, but so were the people who disliked Lord of the rings, harry potter, twilight, and the hunger games, all very popular movies, like I said it's only natural.

7. Nope you are projecting here, by your logic I should of hated sense8 and fear the walking dead since they had political correctness all over them, and yet I liked those shows, why because the story lines were good, the character development was good. Like I said, me pointing out the political correctness was becuase it looked forced and stuck out like a sore thumb, but had the story and character development been good I woudn't have cared, but it's exactly here where it failed for me.

8. Yep, never said otherwise.

9. I don't know why your so fixated in me pointing out the political correctness, it just something that stuck out for me, it was a throw away coment on my part because of the general trends I'm seeing in all forms of media with political correctness going overboard, so much so that even south parks dedicated their last season to mocking it. The problem is that a genuine works of fiction with female or black characters could be written or released as a movie and it would look no different from the movies that have been forced to gender/race bend characters just to meet the standards of political correctness, and this is a detriment to the media not a bonus. But like I've said in point 7 just above, had this movie actually had good character development with a better more unique story line, then yeah I would have enjoyed despite the political correctness.

I mean how hard would it have been to kill off Poe and Fins character and focus all that time on Rey and her discovery of the force, this in my opinon would have removed the deus ex machinas in the current release, or how about kill off Poe to dedicate more time to Fin and develop his background of why he choose to swap sides other than 'he felt it was right', I mean it's pretty big decision for him cuz if the first order found out he probably would of been killed, so more time spent on it would have been better, but that's just me.

10. I don't remember the force working like that in the original movies, not when luke was learning how to use it, I still remember that scene in the Wampa ice cave in episode 5, where luke is upside down in threat of being eaten and he has to use the force to get his lightsaber, it's not like he just used the force and thats that, he struggled to use the force since it was still new to him. In the originals the force is like training a muscle, the more you use it the better you are with the force, but now in episode 7 it's like the matrix, if you have the force just download the skill sets required and your good to go.....which is dumb and makes deus ex machina just that more obvious to see. Also  I never claimed to know the whole lore of the star wars universe, I just mentioned the lore I know based off episodes 4,5,6, and now 7. I thought I made that quite clear. As for the prequel stuff, I haven't got a clue what your talking about nor what they are actually about, all I know is that the prequels are universally panned, I plan on watching them soon to make my own opinion but till then I will reserve judgement. If what you described is true, well I guess I can see why the prequels were bad.  Also what you described sounds so much like Dragon ballz where no matter how hard Vegeta trained all Goku had to do is fart once and he'll auto levels past Vegeta, stupid shit like this makes these characters unrelatable, it's why Superman movies are hard to do, how do you make a character relatable if it's a god and can't be defeated, this is why people like Batman more than Superman, cuz you know one is a mere human while the other a god, and if they do this with Star wars episode 8 then I'm gonna start rooting for Kylo cuz he would be the underdog. If the writters were aiming to make me root for Rey but they god mode her and end up making me root for Kylo, then they fucked up, just saying.

I just enjoyed the movie. Looking back at it, it had a good representation, but how is this a bad thing. You're the first person I've seen complaining about it.

I don't have issues with representation per se, and no I was not complaining, I was merely pointing out what I saw as odd. Having 50/50 representation in every scene just struck me as and foced, I mean it's an intergalactic war, surely there would have been more aliens mixed in, and if that were the case I'd probably never noticed it. But hey if their happened to be a clown in one of the scenes, some would see it and point it out, and others would have missed it all together, it's just that type of thing.

As I said in the other thread, good movie, but left me with a bleak taste.

Nice new protagonists, dull villain, awesome BB-8, great sequences and nice musical score, but way too many questionable plot designs, plot devices and incongruences. Feels like J.J. lost himself to his Star Wars nerdy side at a certain point and borrowed way too much from previous movies without ever giving proper context. 

Saw it! I freakin' loved it