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Lawlight on 05 October 2015
ArnoldRimmer said:

Why exactly is this incident called "terrorism" and the boy called a "terrorist"?

I may have a strange definition of "terrorism", but I just can't see why this australian boy is a "terrorist", when the guy from the mass shooting in Oregon a few days ago is usually just being referred to as a "shooter" or "gunman".

So, what's the difference that makes the one incident an act of "terrorism", but not the other incident?


I think the definition of terrorism is pretty clear - it's for ideological/political reasons.



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demonfox13 on 05 October 2015

Many of today's ISLAMIC (not afraid to say it how it is) is no different to the Christians during the crusades, or the tortures carried out in the name of God during the Spanish inquisition. In the end, religions of "peace" seem to spark an awful lot of conflict.
On a side note, I find it funny how women seem to be treated as inferior in Muslim cultures, yet when I read chapter Woman in the Quaran it definitely pointed to "equality" within the first 2 minutes of reading it. Talk about "Clerics" distorting teachings.
Back on topic, whether it's 1 death or 100, the loss of life is tragic REGARDLESS of religion, motivation, or mental disorder.



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demonfox13 on 05 October 2015

the use of violence and threats to intimidateor coerce, especially for political purposes. There's your definition of terrorism. Political gain is only an example if you know how to read.

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Ganoncrotch on 05 October 2015
GreyianStorm said:
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By that logic 9-11 accounted for just under 30mins worth of dying in a single day. Never forget! I'm not sure I see the logic that you're getting at. It's still a terror related killing even if it is 1/1500th 9-11 it should still surely appear on international news? Just saying that I hadn't heard of this before this thread.

 

edited bad maths - It was 30 mins worth.


9/11 is another incident that I feel gets far too much airtime. It's been over 14 years at this point. Sure, it was tragic, but it was 14 years ago. Far more people died in an illegal war that the US undertook following 9/11, but noone really cares to mention that, because it's just "those people over there" who suffered as a result.

2 people (including the gunman) died in this attack. Why should it be on international news? I live in Ireland. What relevance does it have to Ireland? None. Sure, it's sad that people have died. Just like it is sad when there is a car crash, or when people die as a result of poverty and starvation. But it has no signficance in Ireland, so I see no reason for it to be news here.

In terms of global news that effects you sitting at the PC... well none of it really does unless a plane happens to crash on your house. Bit of an odd stance to take but can't really argue about the stuff that effects you personally since I'm not aware of what's in your fridge :D Since I'm in Ireland too I could wager a bet that you are super siked about our rugby team winning a game on Sunday? Yay us.

That's my point really. If I go for a walk later today, the fact that someone in Australia has shot someone, and then the shooter has been shot, has absolutely no effect on my life. If anything, the publication of this kind of news, the fascination that the media have for gore and violence, further perpetuates these kinds of acts. If the acts of terrorists weren't such an obsession of the mainstream media, they would spread far less terror (which is, after all, their intention).


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dyremose on 05 October 2015

A similar thing happened here in denmark a few months ago. Don't know how widespread that became either. Smaller scale so not as big a deal I suppose



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dyremose on 05 October 2015
Lawlight said:
ArnoldRimmer said:

Why exactly is this incident called "terrorism" and the boy called a "terrorist"?

I may have a strange definition of "terrorism", but I just can't see why this australian boy is a "terrorist", when the guy from the mass shooting in Oregon a few days ago is usually just being referred to as a "shooter" or "gunman".

So, what's the difference that makes the one incident an act of "terrorism", but not the other incident?


I think the definition of terrorism is pretty clear - it's for ideological/political reasons.

A gunman is a very open term which doesn't allude to any motive. Just that he has a gun and uses it. 

 

A terrorist is spreading fear ,to further ones agenda,  be it either politically or religious. Often through violent actions.



dyremose on 05 October 2015
demonfox13 said:
Many of today's ISLAMIC (not afraid to say it how it is) is no different to the Christians during the crusades, or the tortures carried out in the name of God during the Spanish inquisition. In the end, religions of "peace" seem to spark an awful lot of conflict.
On a side note, I find it funny how women seem to be treated as inferior in Muslim cultures, yet when I read chapter Woman in the Quaran it definitely pointed to "equality" within the first 2 minutes of reading it. Talk about "Clerics" distorting teachings.
Back on topic, whether it's 1 death or 100, the loss of life is tragic REGARDLESS of religion, motivation, or mental disorder.


Good thing atheism came along in the western world to stop such terrible acts being done by the Christians.  



think-man on 05 October 2015

I didn't even hear about this and i live in Australia lol



 

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NightDragon83 on 05 October 2015

Good thing Australia has all those super tough gun laws to stop this guy from getting his hands on a gun...



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JWeinCom on 05 October 2015
Tachikoma said:

cant we just say "extremist" rather than tacking on islamist, by tacking on islamist you are basically peddling some of the blame to islam, when the blame should lay only with the asshole that carried out the actions.

 

And frankly, i neither buy into the religious scaremongering or approve of people using the actions of the few to condemn the many.


When an action is done based on Islamic extremism, we should call it Islamic extremism.