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sabvre42 said:
Sharpryno said:
sabvre42 said:
Sharpryno said:
sabvre42 said:


It does NOT take alot to beat the 360 at the same time frame. The 360 took a while to heat up, and the XB1 is losing WW market share.

Do you have proof for your stupid statement of it not taking any effort at all to surpass the 360s sales in the same time frame?  The console is still selling well and is looking to sell like crazy over the holidays again.  What is your point?  You have none atm. 

The XB1 is selling under 10M a year. The 360 averaged 10M a year, and lasted 8 years. 

The XB1 is not selling bad everywhere... its got a decent market share in NA. However, WW its struggling hard.

and your point is??

 

You asked for proof? Reread your own posts maybe?

 

Anyways, xb1 is not doing as strong as MS tries to spin it all things considered.

When did MS try to spin me or anyone else on this?  The only spin I see is from Sony fans on this website making it seem like the XBO is selling and doing horrible.  It's not.  



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You don't put all your eggs in one basket. MS's sole focus for gaming isn't Xbox and it never has been.

Home consoles are still doing great but losing relevance to some audiences. So it makes sense for MS to focus more on Windows and mobile.



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sasquatchmontana said:
sabvre42 said:

Anyways, xb1 is not doing as strong as MS tries to spin it all things considered.

Prove it? You have 90 minutes.

Especially considering this was addressed a week ago.

I love that we're selling more Xbox Ones than we did 360

 


For the love of pete dude. Read what i already wrote instead of just being confrontational to be so....

You cannot do a direct comparison between 360's first 2 years and the XB1's first 2 years.

People were not in a rush to upgrade their XB to 360. The XB1 is not selling that much higher than the 360 in the first 2 years. The WW market share of the XB1 vs 360 is in decline. The PS4 shows that people are ready and willing to upgrade and comparing that overall increase against the overall increase of the XB1 shows that the XB1 is doing fine in NA -- but struggling WW.



I think the XBO is gonna be the last Xbox, but not really because of any of the reasons you mentioned...



sabvre42 said:

The XB1 was launched 8 years after the 360. Incase you cannot see the point, thats DOUBLE the generation time.

As for your financial mud slinging... cool story bro. A company that has roots in everything and doesn't seem to want to keep losing money on the XB division is clearly happier with its product than a company that is rebranding EVERYTHING into its successful console line right?

Uh, that's not what was said. The Xbox 360 outsold the Original Xbox after 3 years and a month. The Xbox One is going to outsell the original Xbox in 2 years and a month.

Xbox 1 is the fastest best selling Xbox of all time....and they tried to kill used games. They really can get away with it. Everything. Anything.

sabvre42 said:

As for your financial mud slinging... cool story bro. A company that has roots in everything and doesn't seem to want to keep losing money on the XB division is clearly happier with its product than a company that is rebranding EVERYTHING into its successful console line right?

The Xbox division hasn't lost a dime since 2007....and the Xbox One launched at a profit

Splain'

The PS4 could indeed sell the most hardware this gen, if the parent company is financially destitute at the end of the decade, it won't really matter.

They. will. be . gone.

Whats a brief 6 year stint being second to a terminal conglormate, when MS can enjoy aeons of unchallenged control there after.

 



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Yeah true cause we saw how those PS2 fans after so many years of PS2 scrambled to upgrade to PS3....

Of course you can compare both... And the bottom line for MS is to sell more...

Doing good in US UK even if worldwide could be better is a nice start and the Gen is nowhere close to be over by your own standards



sasquatchmontana said:
sabvre42 said:

Anyways, xb1 is not doing as strong as MS tries to spin it all things considered.

Prove it? You have 90 minutes.

Especially considering this was addressed a week ago.

I love that we're selling more Xbox Ones than we did 360

 

http://www.vgchartz.com/tools/hw_date.php?reg=Global&ending=Yearly

 

I annotated the screen to highlight the read data but:

1. in the launch holiday period xbox one killed it compared to the 360. 

2. in the first full year xbox one was losing ground to 360 thoughout the entire year until ms pulled out a massive holiday sale.  that allowed it to pull ahead for the year.

3. in the second year xbox one has been losing ground to the 360 quite quickly.  that last point of data for xbox one will clearly go up by the end of the year but right now xbox is behind 360 for the year by 5 million units.  at the end of the year that gap will likely be between 1 to 2 million in favor of 360.

 

so yes, xbox one has sold more than 360 if you take a snapshot in time where you simply count the number of weeks since launch.  but when you see how the curve looks where xbox one took and early lead and has since been losing ground means "xb1 is not doing as strong as MS tries to spin it all things considered".   i mean, the 360 didn't have a great launch at all.  it only did as well as it did because it manage to peak in it's 6th year instead of the standard 2nd or 3rd something i highly doubt will be true for xbox one.



sabvre42 said:

You cannot do a direct comparison between 360's first 2 years and the XB1's first 2 years.

I just did, making you incorrect.

sabvre42 said:

The XB1 is not selling that much higher than the 360 in the first 2 years.

At least stick to a consistant story when trolling, first you say it's selling less, now you say, it's more.

And yeah,  around 24 million shipped by the end of 2015 is much higher than 17.7 million shipped by the end of 2007 it's a 35% increase...

sabvre42 said:

The PS4 shows that people are ready and willing to upgrade and comparing that overall increase against the overall increase of the XB1 shows that the XB1 is doing fine in NA -- but struggling WW.

The PS4 comparison is redundant in this matter, you're stating the Xbox One is selling slower than the 360 and it's average was 10m a year, yet the shipment reports denote in 25 and a half months, the Xbox 360 had shipped 17.7M consoles, when the One will be a good 5-6 million ahead of that. That's an average of 8.32m consoles a year. If the one does 24 that's 11.29 M a year.

Extrapolate that difference over a further 8 years that's another 23.76 million consoles. 110+ Million Xbox Ones.

They tried to kill used games.

Their most successful console.

Nintendo will not have the handheld market.

Sony will have no money. 


Patience is a virtue.



sasquatchmontana said:
sabvre42 said:

Anyways, xb1 is not doing as strong as MS tries to spin it all things considered.

Prove it? You have 90 minutes.

Especially considering this was addressed a week ago.

I love that we're selling more Xbox Ones than we did 360

 


Well they are underselling in pretty much every region except USA and UK. Long term, USA and UK is not enough to hold xbox one's relevance.



kitler53 said:

http://www.vgchartz.com/tools/hw_date.php?reg=Global&ending=Yearly

 

I annotated the screen to highlight the read data but:

1. in the launch holiday period xbox one killed it compared to the 360. 

2. in the first full year xbox one was losing ground to 360 thoughout the entire year until ms pulled out a massive holiday sale.  that allowed it to pull ahead for the year.

3. in the second year xbox one has been losing ground to the 360 quite quickly.  that last point of data for xbox one will clearly go up by the end of the year but right now xbox is behind 360 for the year by 5 million units.  at the end of the year that gap will likely be between 1 to 2 million in favor of 360.

 

so yes, xbox one has sold more than 360 if you take a snapshot in time where you simply count the number of weeks since launch.  but when you see how the curve looks where xbox one took and early lead and has since been losing ground means "xb1 is not doing as strong as MS tries to spin it all things considered".   i mean, the 360 didn't have a great launch at all.  it only did as well as it did because it manage to peak in it's 6th year instead of the standard 2nd or 3rd something i highly doubt will be true for xbox one.

Sorry, this is proof? I hope you're joking.