freedquaker said: Diversity is not an excuse for inequality, bad healthcare, bad education etc. Canada, and Australia are both as diverse as the US, but still a lot better in almost all statistics. Please let's not try to delude ourselves, suggesting that other ones are making progress; of course they do, but the results will not change for the better if you omit them. To the contrary, they will get a lot worse. Now, let's take South Korea, for example, which spends only a quarter of US in healthcare. Life Expectancy at birth, US vs Korea 2000 => US : 76.7, Korea: 75.9; US / Korea -1 = + 1.1%, gap : + 0.8 years Same comparison with Canada, which spends about half of US in healthcare. Life Expectancy at birth, US vs Canada 2000 => US : 76.7, Canada: 79.0; US / Canada -1 = -3.0%, gap : - 2.3 years Again with Australia, which also spends about half of US in healthcare. Life Expectancy at birth, US vs Australia 2000 => US : 76.7, Australia: 79.3; US / Australia -1 = -3.4%, gap : - 2.6 years
In every single comparison, the gap between the US and the other country got bigger. Meanwhile health costs in the US have doubled! There is absolutely nothing to defend about that. The very same arguments can be told about inequality in the US, as well as income mobility. It is funny that only those who defend high inequlity resort to concepts such as income mobility, which is HIGHLY CORRELATED with income EQUALITY. Just like America is highly unequal, its income brackets are also very immobile. Nevertheless, along with the income inequality, the income mobility has declined (which really does not matter when the country is SO UNEQUAL). http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/23/business/upward-mobility-has-not-declined-study-says.html?_r=0 Regarding the inequality in each state, things will not change for the better in the US. Yes, Connecticut may have a higher life expectancy but so does Sydney, or Seoul. As a matter of fact, the difference between states is actually low in America. So basically everything that is said about the US in general is true for every single state. Just check out the wiki page for inequality! Basically, all your arguments, though theoretically reasonable, are wrong. You should fact check first, especially when you are talking to someone who made his masters and phd thesis on those fields (healthcare and education efficiencies in OECD and in the US). |
It is simply logical that a country with many different people who have many different interests, jobs, cultures, and histories will be less equal than one that is ethnically, culturally, racially, occupationally homogeneous. It also is logical that one size fits all policies will benefit the latter more than the previous. Also Canada and Australia are not as diverse as the U.S. They aren't comprised of fifty populous states all with diverse economic histories and diverse legal systems (their form of federalism limits this.) I also contest that Australia is as racially diverse as the U.S; there are nowhere near as many people of native Amerindian and African ancestry, and the aboriginal population is miniscule. The U.S is the most diverse country on the earth, in practically every way, and it has a population an order of magnitude greater than Australia and Canada.
Also, I mentioned a difference in states, not between cities and the country as a whole. I used the same scale of populations. One state has a higher average cost of living, and consequently has a higher average income than the other. New Hampshire and Mississippi are as diverse as Norway and Great Britain in that regard.
Americans aren't dieing earlier because the health-care is poorer. We are dieing earlier because our health is poorer. East Asians and Europeans have much healthier diets, eat healthier portions, and are not subjected to American obesity rates. There are also biological factors. Certain health risks are found among certain biological populations more than others and this will affect life-expectancy. As an economist who specializes in this field, I am sure you know all of this though.
What exactly do you mean by the differences between states being low? New Hampshire has a Gini Coefficient similar to Sweden and the Netherlands. While New York and Washington D.C have Gini Coefficients similar to Germany, Portugal, and Italy. Now once we compare the income of people who live in New Hampshire to those who live in Mississippi, that is where we get these huge differences. But we aren't considering that the cost of living for people who live in New Hampshire is much, much, much higher than it is for people who live in Misssissippi, and consequently the average wage is also higher. The U.S as a whole has a gini coefficient similar to France, another very diverse country. Let's look at the countries with the lowest Gini Coefficients from your link:
Ireland - homogenous, South Korea - homogenous, Iceland - homogenous, Switzerland (racially and economically homogenous), Norway - homogenous, Denmark - homogenous, etc, etc.
Considering there is no consensus by economists on this topic (or practically anything relevant to macroeconomics), I find your arrogance quite funny. Anyway, I am not completely ignorant of economics. I am an economics minor after all, and have taken quite a few economics courses. But please go ahead with your appeal to authority rather than actually arguing why my points are incongruent.
edit: Please provide your source that the mobility has declined. Here's mine that it has not.
http://www.npr.org/2014/01/23/265356290/study-upward-mobility-no-tougher-in-u-s-than-two-decades-ago
Another interesting quote by the way,
"But the study also says economic mobility varies a lot from place to place in the United States. Rates of advancement in the Seattle, Washington, D.C., and San Francisco metro areas compared favorably with European countries. But many parts of the Southeast and the Rust Belt look more like the developing world."
"The study doesn't try to find out why economic mobility varies so much. But it does note that there's a strong correlation between advancement and certain kinds of social factors: the quality of schools, the degree of racial segregation, and whether you grew up in a two-parent household."