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o_O.Q said:

why not start banning rope, acid, knives etc etc etc?

they can all be used to harm right? and apparently knives kill more than handguns yearly... as i said the problem is not guns and never has been, it is that people sometimes wish to harm other people and its not going to stop

because guns make it far easier, it's literally childs play to aim and pull a trigger at a distance of up to ~4meters, which is why ~70% of homicides in the USA are done with guns (8,855 of 12,765 in 2012, compared to 1,589 homicides through cutting/stabbing)

I don't doubt that elsewhere knives are outdoing guns, because you can find several knives in every house, while acquiring a gun is hard



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o_O.Q said:

why not start banning rope, acid, knives etc etc etc?

they can all be used to harm right? and apparently knives kill more than handguns yearly... as i said the problem is not guns and never has been, it is that people sometimes wish to harm other people and its not going to stop

 

Rope, Knives, Acid etc all have purposes beyond killing someone. Not sure what other function a gun serves than to fire a bullet at someone/thing.

Therein lies the difference.

As for the other part of your comment. There is so much ignorance and a complete lack of understanding as to the social circumstances in which dictatorships sieze power that I'm not even going to bother.



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mornelithe said:
o_O.Q said:

why not start banning rope, acid, knives etc etc etc?

they can all be used to harm right? and apparently knives kill more than handguns yearly... as i said the problem is not guns and never has been, it is that people sometimes wish to harm other people and its not going to stop

 

and buying into this silly idea that we can just put systems in place so no one will be harmed and all will be provided for is how dictatorships are formed by the very people they oppress

Hah, it seems we'll never stop seeing people who decry progress, because we'll 'never stop every instance of evil'.  So yeah, might as well give up on it all, right?


you aren't going to progress beyond human unless you chip yourself no matter how hard you try so carry on i wish you luck with that

 

edit: that's not quite true, you can try turning religious and then you may become an angel at death



Lafiel said:
o_O.Q said:

why not start banning rope, acid, knives etc etc etc?

they can all be used to harm right? and apparently knives kill more than handguns yearly... as i said the problem is not guns and never has been, it is that people sometimes wish to harm other people and its not going to stop

because guns make it far easier, it's literally childs play to aim and pull a trigger at a distance of up to ~4meters, which is why ~70% of homicides in the USA are done with guns (8,855 of 12,765 in 2012, compared to 1,589 homicides through cutting/stabbing)

I don't doubt that elsewhere knives are outdoing guns, because you can find several knives in every house, while acquiring a gun is hard


i'm not denying that guns make it easier for criminals to harm people

my point here is that you have a right to defend yourself and given the circumstances ( there are many guns out in the wild ) that means the right to arm yourself

just saying "hue hue hue lets just leave all of our responsibility to whoever is nice enough to take it off our hands" is not a solution



MikeRox said:
o_O.Q said:

why not start banning rope, acid, knives etc etc etc?

they can all be used to harm right? and apparently knives kill more than handguns yearly... as i said the problem is not guns and never has been, it is that people sometimes wish to harm other people and its not going to stop

 

Rope, Knives, Acid etc all have purposes beyond killing someone. Not sure what other function a gun serves than to fire a bullet at someone/thing.

Therein lies the difference.

As for the other part of your comment. There is so much ignorance and a complete lack of understanding as to the social circumstances in which dictatorships sieze power that I'm not even going to bother.

You also have tranquilizer, paintball, and taser guns.

Then you have ammunition such as rubber bullets, wax bullets, plastic bullets, beanbag rounds, and ring airfoil projections, which are all non-lethal ammunition that is designed to incapacitate the target.

So how is that ANY different from say a knife?



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MikeRox said:
o_O.Q said:

why not start banning rope, acid, knives etc etc etc?

they can all be used to harm right? and apparently knives kill more than handguns yearly... as i said the problem is not guns and never has been, it is that people sometimes wish to harm other people and its not going to stop

 

Rope, Knives, Acid etc all have purposes beyond killing someone. Not sure what other function a gun serves than to fire a bullet at someone/thing.

Therein lies the difference.

As for the other part of your comment. There is so much ignorance and a complete lack of understanding as to the social circumstances in which dictatorships sieze power that I'm not even going to bother.


guns can also be used as paper weights so no you are wrong and i don't get how that has anything to do with my point but whatever

 

secondly if your argument is that dictatorships always cease power and that its never the people that at times willingly put themselves into a position of servitude in return for security then yes perhaps you should keep quiet



Jimbo1337 said:
 

You also have tranquilizer, paintball, and taser guns.

Then you have ammunition such as rubber bullets, wax bullets, plastic bullets, beanbag rounds, and ring airfoil projections, which are all non-lethal ammunition that is designed to incapacitate the target.

 

So why aren't most gun owners just buying these non-lethal weapons to defend themselves and their families instead of guns with lethal ammunition? 



Conina said:

Jimbo1337 said:
 

You also have tranquilizer, paintball, and taser guns.

Then you have ammunition such as rubber bullets, wax bullets, plastic bullets, beanbag rounds, and ring airfoil projections, which are all non-lethal ammunition that is designed to incapacitate the target.

 

So why aren't most gun owners just buying these non-lethal weapons to defend themselves and their families instead of guns with lethal ammunition? 

So why don't most people buy dull plastic knives for their kitchens?



Lafiel said:
o_O.Q said:

 

you probably should if you don't understand that defending yourself is in fact a right

it just amazes me that people do not understand the consequences of leaving all of the responsiblity for their wellbeing in the hands of other flawed human beings

indeed, I'm amazed that you don't understand you leave your wellbeing in the hands of other flawed human beings by giving them guns

btw I just read the human rights bill again, nope there is no right to defend yourself, because if the human rights are observed there is no need to

It's a common sense right that's instinctual to all of nature. Everything (the majority of life) will defend itself or others' well being if they are in danger. It shoudn't have to be written down for people to respect or understand it.  



Aeolus451 said:
Lafiel said:

indeed, I'm amazed that you don't understand you leave your wellbeing in the hands of other flawed human beings by giving them guns

btw I just read the human rights bill again, nope there is no right to defend yourself, because if the human rights are observed there is no need to

It's a common sense right that's instinctual to all of nature. Everything (the majority of life) will defend itself or others' well being if they are in danger. It shoudn't have to be written down for people to respect or understand it.  

You do see the double standard here, right?  Guns do account for thousands of deaths per year in the US, so aren't the proponents of trying to figure out how to solve that, attempting to defend the well-being of those thousands who will undoubtedly die, this year, and the next, and the next?

I'm not saying you're wrong and they're right, or vice versa, just saying people are genuinely concerned.