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sc94597 said:
Hedra42 said:

What if they just didn't know how to deal with that question? What if one or more of them was autistic, and didn't know how to express the answer off the cuff or just didn't want to make it public? What if it touched on something so personal that it made them feel just as awkward as some of the other kids in that video?

Disgusting? No. Awkward, yes, but that was the whole point of the video - a compilation of awkward moments.


I was not referring to the developer reaction, but rather people in this thread and the YouTube comments. The developers obviously didn't know how to answer questions from kids, and particularly the kids in the audience with disorders of various types. 

What I find quite sad about people in this thread is that people are being very quick to 'diagnose' these kids with disorders based on just a few minutes' footage. See my earlier post about an experience my son - who has no disorders of any kind - had.



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Hedra42 said:
sc94597 said:
Hedra42 said:

What if they just didn't know how to deal with that question? What if one or more of them was autistic, and didn't know how to express the answer off the cuff or just didn't want to make it public? What if it touched on something so personal that it made them feel just as awkward as some of the other kids in that video?

Disgusting? No. Awkward, yes, but that was the whole point of the video - a compilation of awkward moments.


I was not referring to the developer reaction, but rather people in this thread and the YouTube comments. The developers obviously didn't know how to answer questions from kids, and particularly the kids in the audience with disorders of various types. 

What I find quite sad about people in this thread is that people are being very quick to 'diagnose' these kids with disorders based on just a few minutes' footage. See my earlier post about an experience my son - who has no disorders of any kind - had.

Sure, but this isn't a baseless assumption. He implied with his question, that he has some sort of knowledge and history of autism - whether that is with himself - or a sibling. He was inquiring about autistic people who are successful. 

Furthermore, multiple children had obvious speech impediments that exceed, the "normal child experience." So I still don't see it as baseless to state that at least a portion of this audience had disabilities which affected the question and the response. 

And quite honestly making fun of the kids, whether they have a disability or not, is quite poor taste. 



Hedra42 said:
-CraZed- said:

 

To me, the video and this thread are about how kids can create the most cringeworthy awkward and funny situations without realising they're doing it. That one or two of the kids included in the compilation might have been disadvantaged in some way is sad, but I doubt very much that either the video or this thread was made with the intention of mocking disabled kids.

I take it you didn't see the countless comments saying, "what stupid kids", "just a bunch of kids asking stupid (retarded) questions", or even the thread title "I think I found out why Notch sold Minecraft." 

One can laugh at somebody being awkward without being insulting about it. 

I don't think the video or the thread specifically were targetting disabled kids, but definitely kids in general. 



sc94597 said:
Hedra42 said:
sc94597 said:


I was not referring to the developer reaction, but rather people in this thread and the YouTube comments. The developers obviously didn't know how to answer questions from kids, and particularly the kids in the audience with disorders of various types. 

What I find quite sad about people in this thread is that people are being very quick to 'diagnose' these kids with disorders based on just a few minutes' footage. See my earlier post about an experience my son - who has no disorders of any kind - had.

Sure, but this isn't a baseless assumption. He implied with his question, that he has some sort of knowledge and history of autism - whether that is with himself - or a sibling. He was inquiring about autistic people who are successful. 

Furthermore, multiple children had obvious speech impediments that exceed, the "normal child experience." So I still don't see it as baseless to state that at least a portion of this audience had disabilities which affected the question and the response. 

And quite honestly making fun of the kids, whether they have a disability or not, is quite poor taste. 

What if that kid wasn't autistic? How would he feel about the various posts that have suggested that he is?

My eldest messed up in a science experiment recently, causing one of his classmates to call him 'special needs'. Have you any idea how much that can hurt?

As for the speech impediments, you'd need to define the "normal child experience" for me to even comprehend what you're talking about.

Get a large number of people in any room, and you'll have a proportion of them who have a disability or disorder of some kind. But my point is that the video was not targetting disabled children, but making a compilation of awkward, cringeworthy and funny moments created by children. Unfortunately, in this day and age, it's going to be ridiculed.



sc94597 said:
Hedra42 said:
-CraZed- said:

 

To me, the video and this thread are about how kids can create the most cringeworthy awkward and funny situations without realising they're doing it. That one or two of the kids included in the compilation might have been disadvantaged in some way is sad, but I doubt very much that either the video or this thread was made with the intention of mocking disabled kids.

I take it you didn't see the countless comments saying, "what stupid kids", "just a bunch of kids asking stupid (retarded) questions", or even the thread title "I think I found out why Notch sold Minecraft." 

One can laugh at somebody being awkward without being insulting about it. 

I don't think the video or the thread specifically were targetting disabled kids, but definitely kids in general. 

@ Bolded - see my earlier posts addressing those points. In a nutshell, if the thread title had meant to be a serious attack on disabled kids, the thread would have been killed by now. Whether it's in bad taste or not is debatable.

And just because some of us who understand kids better doesn't mean that we weren't once as ignorant as those who posted the comments you've quoted just there. Read back for context.



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Hedra42 said:
sc94597 said:
Hedra42 said:
sc94597 said:
 


I was not referring to the developer reaction, but rather people in this thread and the YouTube comments. The developers obviously didn't know how to answer questions from kids, and particularly the kids in the audience with disorders of various types. 

What I find quite sad about people in this thread is that people are being very quick to 'diagnose' these kids with disorders based on just a few minutes' footage. See my earlier post about an experience my son - who has no disorders of any kind - had.

Sure, but this isn't a baseless assumption. He implied with his question, that he has some sort of knowledge and history of autism - whether that is with himself - or a sibling. He was inquiring about autistic people who are successful. 

Furthermore, multiple children had obvious speech impediments that exceed, the "normal child experience." So I still don't see it as baseless to state that at least a portion of this audience had disabilities which affected the question and the response. 

And quite honestly making fun of the kids, whether they have a disability or not, is quite poor taste. 

What if that kid wasn't autistic? How would he feel about the various posts that have suggested that he is?

My eldest messed up in a science experiment recently, causing one of his classmates to call him 'special needs'. Have you any idea how much that can hurt?

As for the speech impediments, you'd need to define the "normal child experience" for me to even comprehend what you're talking about.

Get a large number of people in any room, and you'll have a proportion of them who have a disability or disorder of some kind. But my point is that the video was not targetting disabled children, but making a compilation of awkward, cringeworthy and funny moments created by children. Unfortunately, in this day and age, it's going to be ridiculed.

I think from his question he obviously doesn't view autistic as an insult and in fact thinks it has positive advantages. So he probably wouldn't feel all that bad to be honest. Nobody was diagnosing him anyways. There is just the assumption that he has some type of history with autism to pose the question in the first place. Either with himself, or a family member or friend.

The "normal child experience" is whatever you think it is. I don't label people into categories of normal and abnormal unless we are talking about Gaussian distributions and a specific trait. Having said that, I think the speech impediments are not generally considered as normal by others.

Okay, well your point is misplaced. I was specifically talking about the instance when a disorder was brought up, not the various instances where it was not.



Hedra42 said:
sc94597 said:
Hedra42 said:
-CraZed- said:

 

To me, the video and this thread are about how kids can create the most cringeworthy awkward and funny situations without realising they're doing it. That one or two of the kids included in the compilation might have been disadvantaged in some way is sad, but I doubt very much that either the video or this thread was made with the intention of mocking disabled kids.

I take it you didn't see the countless comments saying, "what stupid kids", "just a bunch of kids asking stupid (retarded) questions", or even the thread title "I think I found out why Notch sold Minecraft." 

One can laugh at somebody being awkward without being insulting about it. 

I don't think the video or the thread specifically were targetting disabled kids, but definitely kids in general. 

@ Bolded - see my earlier posts addressing those points. In a nutshell, if the thread title had meant to be a serious attack on disabled kids, the thread would have been killed by now. Whether it's in bad taste or not is debatable.

And just because some of us who understand kids better doesn't mean that we weren't once as ignorant as those who posted the comments you've quoted just there. Read back for context.

It wasnt an attack on disabled kids. It was an attack on Minecraft fans, many of whom are kids and don't have the same filters that adults have. Having said that, there have been specific misdirections with regards to disabilities in comments (not outright attacks.)

 

Does that justify it? I am sure all of us have been corrected for our misdeeds in such circumstances. It would be ad hominem to criticize somebody for their person and not their words/actions.



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no way to tell is these kids are in some way challenged or just nervous from what info we are given

that said, I don't have an "Awwww.....cute" bone in my body, and it's for that reason that I find this (and pretty much all Clips-with-kids) cringeworthy.
But that's just me lol



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sc94597 said:
Hedra42 said:
 

What if that kid wasn't autistic? How would he feel about the various posts that have suggested that he is?

My eldest messed up in a science experiment recently, causing one of his classmates to call him 'special needs'. Have you any idea how much that can hurt?

As for the speech impediments, you'd need to define the "normal child experience" for me to even comprehend what you're talking about.

Get a large number of people in any room, and you'll have a proportion of them who have a disability or disorder of some kind. But my point is that the video was not targetting disabled children, but making a compilation of awkward, cringeworthy and funny moments created by children. Unfortunately, in this day and age, it's going to be ridiculed.

I think from his question he obviously doesn't view autistic as an insult and in fact thinks it has positive advantages. So he probably wouldn't feel all that bad to be honest. Nobody was diagnosing him anyways. There is just the assumption that he has some type of history with autism to pose the question in the first place. Either with himself, or a family member or friend.

@ underlined: There were 3 posts in this thread, one of them from you, suggesting that this kid was autistic.

The "normal child experience" is whatever you think it is. I don't label people into categories of normal and abnormal unless we are talking about Gaussian distributions and a specific trait. Having said that, I think the speech impediments are not generally considered as normal by others.

Speech impediments don't necessarily indicate abnorbalities. With regards to the girl with a rhotacism, (inability to pronounce the letter 'r') it is considered to be one of the last sounds a child learns to pronounce, and some people never do manage to pronounce it. I'm not sure where you're based, but over here we have a T.V. presenter who is well known for that particular speech impediment. It means nothing.

The boy with the lisp - this is very common. Boxer Chris Eubank is very famous for his lisp. It means nothing.

I only heard one other speech problem and the nature of it wasn't clear, since we didn't see the individual. Without more information,  I cannot judge.

Okay, well your point is misplaced. I was specifically talking about the instance when a disorder was brought up, not the various instances where it was not.

My point was initially posted in response to a comment by -CraZed- , which had hinted at diagnosing the kids from the footage, took the thread title literally and then went on to accuse the OP of saying that Notch sold Minecraft because of special needs kids posing cumbersome questions to him. My point was that neither the video nor the thread were targetting or making fun of disabled children. Interesting you should say that it was misplaced, since you quoted and commented on it the first time, and then made the exact same point yourself, later on.

But I think since we're generally in agreement that it isn't the intentions of the video compiler and the OP of the thread that are the problem, it's the ignorance of many of the people who posted remarks on YouTube and in this thread, we can leave it there.

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sc94597 said:
Hedra42 said:
sc94597 said:
Hedra42 said:
-CraZed- said:

 

To me, the video and this thread are about how kids can create the most cringeworthy awkward and funny situations without realising they're doing it. That one or two of the kids included in the compilation might have been disadvantaged in some way is sad, but I doubt very much that either the video or this thread was made with the intention of mocking disabled kids.

I take it you didn't see the countless comments saying, "what stupid kids", "just a bunch of kids asking stupid (retarded) questions", or even the thread title "I think I found out why Notch sold Minecraft." 

One can laugh at somebody being awkward without being insulting about it. 

I don't think the video or the thread specifically were targetting disabled kids, but definitely kids in general. 

@ Bolded - see my earlier posts addressing those points. In a nutshell, if the thread title had meant to be a serious attack on disabled kids, the thread would have been killed by now. Whether it's in bad taste or not is debatable.

And just because some of us who understand kids better doesn't mean that we weren't once as ignorant as those who posted the comments you've quoted just there. Read back for context.

It wasnt an attack on disabled kids. It was an attack on Minecraft fans, many of whom are kids and don't have the same filters that adults have. Having said that, there have been specific misdirections with regards to disabilities in comments (not outright attacks.)

 

Does that justify it? I am sure all of us have been corrected for our misdeeds in such circumstances. It would be ad hominem to criticize somebody for their person and not their words/actions.

Again, the point I directed you to was initially in response to the comment about the topic title from  -CraZed- , and I agree that none of us are perfect.