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This is an ongoing investigation: Does (NCL) Nintendo HQ use sales numbers from Japan only when they decide which games that are worthy of a sequel?

So far it seems as that  (with a few curious exceptions) a console game for a Nintendo home console have to sell close to 1 million copies - IN JAPAN - to get a sequel. Games with Mario in the title can sell a little less.

This explains why we get Mario Tennis (N64 - 1060k) instead of Mario Strikers (GC - 200k) , Mario Sluggers (GC - 260k) or even Mario Golf (N64 - 650k). This explains why there are rumors of Diddy Kong Racing (N64 - 890k) and that it was so hard to get Starfox (SNES - 800k). Other sequels we probably can forget are Metroid 3D (best selling 3D Metroid in Japan is Metroid: Other M -130k), F-Zero (SNES - 890K), Wave Race (N64 - 340k), Pilotwings (SNES  - 480k), Mario Paint (SNES - 710k), 1080º (N64 - 130k), Endless Ocean (Wii - 120k). This could have been a major component in Nintendo not fighting for Rare. Except DKC Rare did not sell well in japan, not even Banjo (N64 - 550k)

If this rule is true there is a bigger chance of Rhythm Heaven U (Wii - 770k) than Metroid 3D U. Metroid 2D could happen though (NES - 1040k)! Even games like Mario Galaxy (1020k & 980k) and Luigi's Mansion (Wii -460k) could have a hard time getting a sequel. This explains why Twilight Princess (Wii - 600k, GC - 40k) is the Zelda game that will not come to Wii U (remake or VC).

Strange exceptions: Xenoblade Chronicles (Wii - 160k), Fatal Frame (Wii - 100k), Fire Emblem (SNES - 700k)

Please fill in with your own examples. I will try to come back with more numbers and "proofs".

EDIT: This also means no sequels to Splatoon (~300k), Captain Toad (150k) or Hyrule Warriors (130k).



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Splatoon is going to sell 500k+ in Japan. I don't think even Zelda is going to hit that. NCL has to be thrilled with those sales.



twintail said:
Even if this was true its not true now. Japan sales for console software (and slowly, maybe even handheld) are unimportant in the grand scheme of things these days.

Yes that would be the rational wiev of the situation.  I think NCL are not always (rather quite selldom) driven by rational economic factors. The people that make the decisions in Nintendo have grown up in the company and carry a lot of history with them. I think they still belive that Japan is the core business and the rest of the world is icing on the cake.



Soundwave said:
Splatoon is going to sell 500k+ in Japan. I don't think even Zelda is going to hit that. NCL has to be thrilled with those sales.

LMAO!

Will sell 1 million easy, maybe 1.5 million.



Ryng_Tolu said:
Soundwave said:
Splatoon is going to sell 500k+ in Japan. I don't think even Zelda is going to hit that. NCL has to be thrilled with those sales.

LMAO!

Will sell 1 million easy, maybe 1.5 million.


There was a thread about Zelda games doesn't have that selling power in Japan and Zelda is more of a western game.  



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gabzjmm23 said:
Ryng_Tolu said:

LMAO!

Will sell 1 million easy, maybe 1.5 million.


There was a thread about Zelda games doesn't have that selling power in Japan and Zelda is more of a western game.  

Maybe it was this thread?  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=198925

Hyrule Warriors did not sell good in Japan (130k Japan - 950k Total World) despite having two "popular" franchises mixed.

LoZ WW did not sell good in Japan (130k Japan - 1350k Total World)

LoZ:aLBW (3DS) sold OK in Japan (450k Japan - 2480k Total World)

EDIT: by the way the top list of Zelda games is not the same in Japan as in the rest of the world:

1 The Legend of Zelda - NES

2 Zelda II: The Adventure of Link - NES

3 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - N64

4 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - SNES

5 The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass - DS

6 The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - GC

7 The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks - DS

8 The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask - N64

9 The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - Wii

2D Zelda more popular than 3D Zelda in Japan   http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?page=1&results=1000&name=zelda&platform=&minSales=0&publisher=&genre=&sort=GL

 



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz-PtEJEaqY


thats how nintendo decides...



generic-user-1 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz-PtEJEaqY


thats how nintendo decides...

LOL They even use an Ocarina!



baloofarsan said:
generic-user-1 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz-PtEJEaqY


thats how nintendo decides...

LOL They even use an Ocarina!

and a chicken we know nintendo hates chicken...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QackOxe64yM



baloofarsan said:
gabzjmm23 said:


There was a thread about Zelda games doesn't have that selling power in Japan and Zelda is more of a western game.  

Maybe it was this thread?  http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=198925

Hyrule Warriors did not sell good in Japan (130k Japan - 950k Total World) despite having two "popular" franchises mixed.

LoZ WW did not sell good in Japan (130k Japan - 1350k Total World)

LoZ:aLBW (3DS) sold OK in Japan (450k Japan - 2480k Total World)

EDIT: by the way the top list of Zelda games is not the same in Japan as in the rest of the world:

1 The Legend of Zelda - NES

2 Zelda II: The Adventure of Link - NES

3 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - N64

4 The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - SNES

5 The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass - DS

6 The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - GC

7 The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks - DS

8 The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask - N64

9 The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - Wii

2D Zelda more popular than 3D Zelda in Japan   http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?page=1&results=1000&name=zelda&platform=&minSales=0&publisher=&genre=&sort=GL

 


Those numbers ain't right though. There just vgc numbers and not including digital.