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mai said:
generic-user-1 said:


nuclear is more expensive than burning money... the brits have to pay 92,5 Pound/mw.

and that finish nuclear plant is still in the building burning alot of money...

92,5 for what exactly? Price for an end-user? For electric power company? Does it include transportation? Is this specificllay a NPP energy price? Or average for UK? And last but not least, "MW" or "MWh"?

92,5p/mwh  is the price the uk government is guaranteed to the company.  + inflation adjustment+ compensation if they have to stop producing before the 60 years lifetime are over. 



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generic-user-1 said:
mai said:
generic-user-1 said:


nuclear is more expensive than burning money... the brits have to pay 92,5 Pound/mw.

and that finish nuclear plant is still in the building burning alot of money...

92,5 for what exactly? Price for an end-user? For electric power company? Does it include transportation? Is this specificllay a NPP energy price? Or average for UK? And last but not least, "MW" or "MWh"?

92,5p/mwh  is the price the uk government is guaranteed to the company.  + inflation adjustment+ compensation if they have to stop producing before the 60 years lifetime are over.

So that'd ~130 euros for every MWh electric power company buys from the plant. Ok, then you should clarify one moment for me. How come electricity prices in Denmark (39% of _electricity_ consumption comes from the wind as they've claimed) for the _households_ are over 300 euros/MWh, while for UK that's only 200 euros/MWh (nuclear AND renewables _primary energy_ consumption are at 14%)?

But again we're talking apple and oranges here. I'm talking about energy (of which electricity generation is only a fraction) and EROEI (rather than pricing, which is influenced by a dozen of factors including government subventions).

BTW for the record, I'm paying 35 euros/MWh :P



mai said:
generic-user-1 said:
mai said:
generic-user-1 said:


nuclear is more expensive than burning money... the brits have to pay 92,5 Pound/mw.

and that finish nuclear plant is still in the building burning alot of money...

92,5 for what exactly? Price for an end-user? For electric power company? Does it include transportation? Is this specificllay a NPP energy price? Or average for UK? And last but not least, "MW" or "MWh"?

92,5p/mwh  is the price the uk government is guaranteed to the company.  + inflation adjustment+ compensation if they have to stop producing before the 60 years lifetime are over.

So that'd ~130 euros for every MWh electric power company buys from the plant. Ok, then you should clarify one moment for me. How come electricity prices in Denmark (39% of _electricity_ consumption comes from the wind as they've claimed) for the _households_ are over 300 euros/MWh, while for UK that's only 200 euros/MWh (nuclear AND renewables _primary energy_ consumption are at 14%)?

But again we're talking apple and oranges here. I'm talking about energy (of which electricity generation is only a fraction) and EROEI (rather than pricing, which is influenced by a dozen of factors including government subventions).

BTW for the record, I'm paying 35 euros/MWh :P

denmark has realy high taxes.  

35€/mwh are well below the cost from coal, i dont think thats working without shadow subventions).

if you wanna talk about energie without prices an world market well then we are talking about mad max.  so pigshit=energie...



Greece is high octane socialism. The closer a country moves to taking care of people that natural selection would deem unfit to breed, the closer that country will be to imploding on itself.

I'm not saying that disability isn't a good thing. I'm saying that welfare is a bad thing. There shouldn't be government welfare- there should be government work. Can't feed your family? Guess you're gonna be working on road construction.

If we're paying them to sit on their bum, then we can just as easily pay them to work. And if they can't work? That's disability, bruh.



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Azuren said:
Greece is high octane socialism. The closer a country moves to taking care of people that natural selection would deem unfit to breed, the closer that country will be to imploding on itself.

I'm not saying that disability isn't a good thing. I'm saying that welfare is a bad thing. There shouldn't be government welfare- there should be government work. Can't feed your family? Guess you're gonna be working on road construction.

If we're paying them to sit on their bum, then we can just as easily pay them to work. And if they can't work? That's disability, bruh.


pff most poor people arent unfit to breed society just holds em poor.  they could easyly feed a family, but ur society doesnt like dead rich people haning down from bridges. 

if you wanna find people unable to breed, look at the upper middle class, children that cry if they get dirty, schools that ban nuts, parents that freak out if the cowboy forms a gun with his fingers to shoot the indian.  poor children will eat those children alive if they have too...



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generic-user-1 said:
Azuren said:
Greece is high octane socialism. The closer a country moves to taking care of people that natural selection would deem unfit to breed, the closer that country will be to imploding on itself.

I'm not saying that disability isn't a good thing. I'm saying that welfare is a bad thing. There shouldn't be government welfare- there should be government work. Can't feed your family? Guess you're gonna be working on road construction.

If we're paying them to sit on their bum, then we can just as easily pay them to work. And if they can't work? That's disability, bruh.


pff most poor people arent unfit to breed society just holds em poor.  they could easyly feed a family, but ur society doesnt like dead rich people haning down from bridges. 

if you wanna find people unable to breed, look at the upper middle class, children that cry if they get dirty, schools that ban nuts, parents that freak out if the cowboy forms a gun with his fingers to shoot the indian.  poor children will eat those children alive if they have too...

Don't get me wrong, I don't care for the rich. They hoard their money and complain when the government has to rip it away from them by force. Then they turn around and try to stick it to the lower class for what the government did to them. If the upper class would grow a heart, there wouldn't be a problem. 

 

What I'm referring to are useless bags of skin that live off of welfare. People who play the system for a living and decide that food stamps and unemployment are long term solutions. Society doesn't hold poor people down, inadequacy and apathy do. Want to make money? There are literally hundreds of ways to do so. You could join the military, apply for govern meant grants for school, work hard while you're in school to earn grants (academia and sports are both good options), work hard at retail and get promoted, start a damn food cart, ANYTHING. Yes, there are poor people who put their all into it, but the number of hard working failures is greatly outnumbered by the hardworking successes. Anyone can rise above the status they were born into, it just takes hard work. But most of them expect it to be given to them. Like food stamps for success. 



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Azuren said:
generic-user-1 said:


pff most poor people arent unfit to breed society just holds em poor.  they could easyly feed a family, but ur society doesnt like dead rich people haning down from bridges. 

if you wanna find people unable to breed, look at the upper middle class, children that cry if they get dirty, schools that ban nuts, parents that freak out if the cowboy forms a gun with his fingers to shoot the indian.  poor children will eat those children alive if they have too...

Don't get me wrong, I don't care for the rich. They hoard their money and complain when the government has to rip it away from them by force. Then they turn around and try to stick it to the lower class for what the government did to them. If the upper class would grow a heart, there wouldn't be a problem. 

 

What I'm referring to are useless bags of skin that live off of welfare. People who play the system for a living and decide that food stamps and unemployment are long term solutions. Society doesn't hold poor people down, inadequacy and apathy do. Want to make money? There are literally hundreds of ways to do so. You could join the military, apply for govern meant grants for school, work hard while you're in school to earn grants (academia and sports are both good options), work hard at retail and get promoted, start a damn food cart, ANYTHING. Yes, there are poor people who put their all into it, but the number of hard working failures is greatly outnumbered by the hardworking successes. Anyone can rise above the status they were born into, it just takes hard work. But most of them expect it to be given to them. Like food stamps for success. 

where should all the poor people work? are there 50m jobs(or what ever is the real unemployment number in the us) that just need worker?



Damn.
Europa looks to give Greece the choice between the knife and the gun. Curatorship or Grexit...
And i thought they were going to role over again. At least there is clarity now.



In the wilderness we go alone with our new knowledge and strength.

After watching yesterday's Eurogroup and tonight's Summit, I can say this: If this is the future of Europe, I want no part in it.

Also, something to think about:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/07/12/killing-the-european-project/?_r=0



routsounmanman said:
After watching yesterday's Eurogroup and tonight's Summit, I can say this: If this is the future of Europe, I want no part in it.

Also, something to think about:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/07/12/killing-the-european-project/?_r=0


It is a dumb article full of bias. They aren't demands, they are loan conditions which Greece is quite free to reject, they are being stipulated because Greece has failed to make good on debts and failed to follow through on previous conditions that they agreed too. Personally I am suprised Eurogroup is finally standing up to them and saying "you are untrustworthy, we now require proof you aren't going to just flush this down the toilet again", I actually expected them to bend over yet again so we would see this situation in another 1-3 years.