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Mummelmann on 04 June 2015
globalisateur said:
You should look at those new benchmarks done by Digital Foundry testing the new 980ti at 4K, you can get really decent fps at 4K notably with the Overclocked 980ti:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti-review

They really think this card, the 980ti is great for gaming at 4k or new 3.4k panel but still advise to wait before the 390x AMD release to better compare both cards.

And also directx 12 should improve those numbers significantly in the near future (~30% improvement).


I'm not going for 4k gaming yet, I think it's too early, if I pay 2000-3000$ for a new rig, I want better than decent performance.

But yes, DX12 should be interesting and it reportedly benefits AMD cards more, I really want to see some proper benchmarks and know more about drivers, heat and noise and wattage under load. Hard to make an informed decision when there's no proper comparison to be made yet.

Seems like AMD is playing the waiting game, let's just hope they deliver.



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Eddie_Raja on 04 June 2015
Mummelmann said:
Eddie_Raja said:

I can gauruntee it will be stronger than anything Nvidia has out now based on the specs alone.  There is some talk of HBM requiring less memory to store information, and also there might be an 8GB version.  Just.  Wait.

 

P.S.  Would you rather have 4GB of GDDR5, or 6GB of DDR3?  That is the difference we are talking about here.


I think I've written about ten times in this thead now that I am waiting...

The thing is; we don't know the exact specs and we haven't seen official benchmarks or tests yet. 8GB version with HBM won't come until next year, that's been more or less confirmed by AMD at this point so that's not an option for me since I want to build this summer.

Hoping for more details either this weekend or next week; it's about time we got them since the series launches in about three weeks.

LOL ok sorry.  The 8GB thing isn't 100% confirmed either way.  There are tons of rumors swirling around right now.



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

Mummelmann on 04 June 2015
Eddie_Raja said:
Mummelmann said:


I think I've written about ten times in this thead now that I am waiting...

The thing is; we don't know the exact specs and we haven't seen official benchmarks or tests yet. 8GB version with HBM won't come until next year, that's been more or less confirmed by AMD at this point so that's not an option for me since I want to build this summer.

Hoping for more details either this weekend or next week; it's about time we got them since the series launches in about three weeks.

LOL ok sorry.  The 8GB thing isn't 100% confirmed either way.  There are tons of rumors swirling around right now.


Yeah, kinda annoying, especially this close to actual release. I think it has a lot to with new tech and new DX coming and I have a feeling that AMD and Nvidia will be pretty close in both price and performance for once.

Nvidia has always been more power for more money, this could change this month. Or, it could stay the exact same...



Random_Matt on 04 June 2015

All i have is this: http://wccftech.com/amd-fiji-xt-based-graphic-card-r9-fury-x-camera-interposer-pcb-size/



JEMC on 04 June 2015
Mummelmann said:


I'm not going for 4k gaming yet, I think it's too early, if I pay 2000-3000$ for a new rig, I want better than decent performance.

But yes, DX12 should be interesting and it reportedly benefits AMD cards more, I really want to see some proper benchmarks and know more about drivers, heat and noise and wattage under load. Hard to make an informed decision when there's no proper comparison to be made yet.

Seems like AMD is playing the waiting game, let's just hope they deliver.

Stop worrying about drivers!

Yes, it's true that Nvidia has an advantage on that front, but only at launch. After that, AMD drivers are as stable and problem free as Nvidia drivers are. Only if you use SLI/Xfire the problems will last longer, but since you don't want to go that way it is irrelevant.

Heat and noise will only be a problem with the 3XX cards and if you go with a reference cooler (if there's one). With the top end card, the rumored to be called Fury, that won't be a problem at all since it will be watercooled. And before you start worrying about leaks and all that, the 295X2 is also watercooled and there has been no problems with that. And that's a more complex card as it has two GPUs to cool while "Fury" will have a simpler design with only 1 GPU and what looks to be a full waterblock.

Power consumption could be a problem, yes, but the 980Ti and TitanX are 250W cards. They aren't frugal either.



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Currently gaming on a PC with an i5-4670k@stock (for now), 16Gb RAM 1600 MHz and a GTX 1070

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JEMC on 04 June 2015
Random_Matt said:
All i have is this: http://wccftech.com/amd-fiji-xt-based-graphic-card-r9-fury-x-camera-interposer-pcb-size/

I posted that on the AMD thread about Zen and the new Radeons, as well as a mock-up comparing it with the 980Ti.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7326870



Please excuse my bad English.

Currently gaming on a PC with an i5-4670k@stock (for now), 16Gb RAM 1600 MHz and a GTX 1070

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Mummelmann on 04 June 2015
JEMC said:
Mummelmann said:


I'm not going for 4k gaming yet, I think it's too early, if I pay 2000-3000$ for a new rig, I want better than decent performance.

But yes, DX12 should be interesting and it reportedly benefits AMD cards more, I really want to see some proper benchmarks and know more about drivers, heat and noise and wattage under load. Hard to make an informed decision when there's no proper comparison to be made yet.

Seems like AMD is playing the waiting game, let's just hope they deliver.

Stop worrying about drivers!

Yes, it's true that Nvidia has an advantage on that front, but only at launch. After that, AMD drivers are as stable and problem free as Nvidia drivers are. Only if you use SLI/Xfire the problems will last longer, but since you don't want to go that way it is irrelevant.

Heat and noise will only be a problem with the 3XX cards and if you go with a reference cooler (if there's one). With the top end card, the rumored to be called Fury, that won't be a problem at all since it will be watercooled. And before you start worrying about leaks and all that, the 295X2 is also watercooled and there has been no problems with that. And that's a more complex card as it has two GPUs to cool while "Fury" will have a simpler design with only 1 GPU and what looks to be a full waterblock.

Power consumption could be a problem, yes, but the 980Ti and TitanX are 250W cards. They aren't frugal either.


I'm not worried about the power bill, it's more about having to buy a bigger PSU, they're not cheap in the 700+ watt range around here. I'll not want a card that goes beyond that 250 watt limit by any large measure.
Another thing I have to consider is the amount of pins and connections it requires, this could cause both motherboard and CPU to increase heavily in price (the 6-core processor I'm looking at costs twice as much with 40 PCI-e lanes instead of 26, I believe).

As for drivers; it was worse before, my X1950XTX was hopeless the entire time I had it, artifacts and tearing issues after every Catalyst update, then it leveled out and worked well after a few weeks. There's also the special effects (like Nvidia hair or physX) that don't work well or at all with AMD cards, but that's not a huge deal for me.

Watercooling doesn't really worry me; I had a watercooled processor for many years and it worked really well, and it's a really good way of keeping the fans and their noise at bay as well, they rarely worked at full RPM's (or even 80%) during loads.



Eddie_Raja on 04 June 2015
Mummelmann said:
Eddie_Raja said:

LOL ok sorry.  The 8GB thing isn't 100% confirmed either way.  There are tons of rumors swirling around right now.


Yeah, kinda annoying, especially this close to actual release. I think it has a lot to with new tech and new DX coming and I have a feeling that AMD and Nvidia will be pretty close in both price and performance for once.

Nvidia has always been more power for more money, this could change this month. Or, it could stay the exact same...

I can't think of one time in the past 6 or so years that there performance wasn't close.  AMD is usually cheaper though, and until Maxwell often more efficient.



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

JEMC on 04 June 2015
Mummelmann said:
JEMC said:

Stop worrying about drivers!

Yes, it's true that Nvidia has an advantage on that front, but only at launch. After that, AMD drivers are as stable and problem free as Nvidia drivers are. Only if you use SLI/Xfire the problems will last longer, but since you don't want to go that way it is irrelevant.

Heat and noise will only be a problem with the 3XX cards and if you go with a reference cooler (if there's one). With the top end card, the rumored to be called Fury, that won't be a problem at all since it will be watercooled. And before you start worrying about leaks and all that, the 295X2 is also watercooled and there has been no problems with that. And that's a more complex card as it has two GPUs to cool while "Fury" will have a simpler design with only 1 GPU and what looks to be a full waterblock.

Power consumption could be a problem, yes, but the 980Ti and TitanX are 250W cards. They aren't frugal either.


I'm not worried about the power bill, it's more about having to buy a bigger PSU, they're not cheap in the 700+ watt range around here. I'll not want a card that goes beyond that 250 watt limit by any large measure.
Another thing I have to consider is the amount of pins and connections it requires, this could cause both motherboard and CPU to increase heavily in price (the 6-core processor I'm looking at costs twice as much with 40 PCI-e lanes instead of 26, I believe).

As for drivers; it was worse before, my X1950XTX was hopeless the entire time I had it, artifacts and tearing issues after every Catalyst update, then it leveled out and worked well after a few weeks. There's also the special effects (like Nvidia hair or physX) that don't work well or at all with AMD cards, but that's not a huge deal for me.

Watercooling doesn't really worry me; I had a watercooled processor for many years and it worked really well, and it's a really good way of keeping the fans and their noise at bay as well, they rarely worked at full RPM's (or even 80%) during loads.

Going by the rumors AMD recommends a 700W PSU for the 390X, and I would suggest the same thing to be true for the Fiji cards. But both the 390X and the leaked PCB of the Fiji card show 2x8pin connectors, they'll use 300W.

And I don't know what you mean with the PCI-E lanes, but any card will use 16 lanes.



Please excuse my bad English.

Currently gaming on a PC with an i5-4670k@stock (for now), 16Gb RAM 1600 MHz and a GTX 1070

Steam / Live / NNID : jonxiquet    Add me if you want, but I'm a single player gamer.

Mummelmann on 04 June 2015
JEMC said:
Mummelmann said:
JEMC said:

Stop worrying about drivers!

Yes, it's true that Nvidia has an advantage on that front, but only at launch. After that, AMD drivers are as stable and problem free as Nvidia drivers are. Only if you use SLI/Xfire the problems will last longer, but since you don't want to go that way it is irrelevant.

Heat and noise will only be a problem with the 3XX cards and if you go with a reference cooler (if there's one). With the top end card, the rumored to be called Fury, that won't be a problem at all since it will be watercooled. And before you start worrying about leaks and all that, the 295X2 is also watercooled and there has been no problems with that. And that's a more complex card as it has two GPUs to cool while "Fury" will have a simpler design with only 1 GPU and what looks to be a full waterblock.

Power consumption could be a problem, yes, but the 980Ti and TitanX are 250W cards. They aren't frugal either.


I'm not worried about the power bill, it's more about having to buy a bigger PSU, they're not cheap in the 700+ watt range around here. I'll not want a card that goes beyond that 250 watt limit by any large measure.
Another thing I have to consider is the amount of pins and connections it requires, this could cause both motherboard and CPU to increase heavily in price (the 6-core processor I'm looking at costs twice as much with 40 PCI-e lanes instead of 26, I believe).

As for drivers; it was worse before, my X1950XTX was hopeless the entire time I had it, artifacts and tearing issues after every Catalyst update, then it leveled out and worked well after a few weeks. There's also the special effects (like Nvidia hair or physX) that don't work well or at all with AMD cards, but that's not a huge deal for me.

Watercooling doesn't really worry me; I had a watercooled processor for many years and it worked really well, and it's a really good way of keeping the fans and their noise at bay as well, they rarely worked at full RPM's (or even 80%) during loads.

Going by the rumors AMD recommends a 700W PSU for the 390X, and I would suggest the same thing to be true for the Fiji cards. But both the 390X and the leaked PCB of the Fiji card show 2x8pin connectors, they'll use 300W.

And I don't know what you mean with the PCI-E lanes, but any card will use 16 lanes.


Yeah, sorry, I was thinking SLi/Crossfire...