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Nem said:
Teddy said:


What about the moon, do you believe that goes around earth or the sun or around earth and sun?

 

Well turns out the moon doesn't go around the Earth but rather the moon and earth do a dance together like a waltz with the earth being like the heavier man and the moon being the lighter woman, in this case they revolve around a centre which just happens to be close to the earth because the earth is so massive compared but the moon is not revolving around the centre of the earth, I think it is a centre which happens to be somewhere under the crust of the earth which maybe why the moon can make earthquakes happen on earth although some scientists will not believe that but at the same time make a case for moonquakes happening due to earth's gravitational force which is somewhat hypocritical of them.

So as the earth 'goes around the sun'(or not) in this case it is not the earth going around the sun it is the epicentre of moon the gravational forces of earth plus moon which rotates and therefore earth is doing a little dance with the moon around the sun bobing backward and forward through the epicentre as it does. Therefore applying this theory to sun then the earth is doing a little dance with its giant massive sun partner as they revolve around the milkyway and thus making minute fluctuations in the sun's orbit around Milky way, this becomes more complex when you realise the other planets are getting in on your massive dancing partner(she is a big girl after all) and they are dancing with her and the Waltz dance with the sun is ever so complex as it now includes all planets pulling on it massive partner with planets such as Jupiter and Saturn influencing  the sun more so than our earth. Those planets could well be influencing sun's a activity as well as its orbit. Gets more complex when you realise the masses of other suns(stars) pulling on our sun and so on. The system is a complex one then as you'll realise when the butterfly flaps his wings the same for the planets and indeed far far far away stars and planets are influencing us with their far reaching gravity, gravity has an infinite reach.


Of course they are in a waltz, the whole solar system is, the whole galaxy is. Everything is revolving around a larger celestial body or going in the direction of one. The universe isnt static. Right now our whole galaxy is moving. The drawing wich show you planets and moons going on a perfect circle are meant to let you understand it better. Everything is always in constant movement. And while it is accurate that they revolve around the planet or the star, they are also constantly moving in a different axis.

The moon's orbit beeing centered in something like the mantle is not suprising. The moon has been been getting farther from the earth with time to the point it will be lost to space one day. Maybe it will become a new planet if its orbit stabilises. The earth orbital force just isnt enough to keep it within reach.

And no, the earth does not revolve in a center point. The Earth is in the outer arms of the milky way. The earth revolves around the Sun and the Sun revolves around the massive gravitational force in the middle of the galaxy believed to be a super massive black hole. That is the only point you could make a case on, but the galaxy itself is moving aswell so even that isnt the case.

There is absolutely no way that the earth is standing still, wich makes it impossible for it to be in the center of the universe unless they whole universe moved in the same proportion with it, and i dont see how that could even be possible without some magical/god like beeing that is far from beeing proven as something real. And really, i can garantee to you that nothing that convenient exists. We are not special, the earth is not special. There are millions of earths across the universe and no reason to believe our is special. Our own earth will be destroyed in time. Humanity probably extinguished unless we discover nuclear fusion and can achieve interstellar travel. There is nothing so gentle as a special place and a special existance. Thats just how it is.

Its worth noting that the solar system is supposidly parallel to the center of the galaxy and that is why we cant look at the center of the milky way.

Well, why do you believe the Earth is not moving? Because you were taught that so it must be "fact"?

 

"Prove" there are millions of earths across the universe.

Did you read the OP? Scientists admit there is no more "proof" for the heliocentric model than the geocentric model. However for the geocentric model there has been scientific experiments conducted showing the Earth is immobile.



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the-pi-guy said:
OoSnap said:

Well, why do you believe the Earth is not moving? Because you were taught that so it must be "fact"?

"Prove" there are millions of earths across the universe.

Did you read the OP? Scientists admit there is no more "proof" for the heliocentric model than the geocentric model. However for the geocentric model there has been scientific experiments conducted showing the Earth is immobile.

Why do you believe you are not part of the matrix?  Because you were taught that so it must be "fact"?

Prove there aren't, and tell me what earths are to you.  There are certainly planets with similar composition, and similar locations relative to their stars.  Are there planets with life on them?  Probably, who knows?  It's an idea, a hypothesis, that someone came up with.  It isn't proven, it isn't taught as fact because it isn't fact, yet.

The OP is filled with misinterpretations and people that believe the same as you, which is a bias.  

Do you even understand what the geocentric theory proposed?  

 

There is no non arbitrary center to the universe.  You can certainly make any point the center.  The sun is the center, the Earth is the center, Mars is the center.  All of these would be true.  


There have been actual scientific experiments conducted showing the Earth is immobile. This is in the OP. 

Heliocentricists haven't addressed it.



How were the experiments faulty?

What observations have shown the Earth to rotate and revolve around the Sun?

Don't forget the following passage Isaiah 44:22 "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in."

"four corners" are idioms, meaning “everywhere on the earth” or “from all directions.” The Bible does use idioms, figurative language, poetry etc.



the-pi-guy said:
OoSnap said:

There have been actual scientific experiments conducted showing the Earth is immobile. This is in the OP. 

Heliocentricists haven't addressed it.

They haven't addressed it, because you won't believe anything that you read. 

Have you actually looked into the observational problems with the geocentric model?  There are far more problems with the geocentric model than these faux problems with the heliocentric model.  


Try me. 

Observational problems with the geocentric model? Such as?



the-pi-guy said:
OoSnap said:
How were the experiments faulty?

What observations have shown the Earth to rotate and revolve around the Sun?

Don't forget the following passage Isaiah 44:22 "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in."

"four corners" are idioms, meaning “everywhere on the earth” or “from all directions.” The Bible does use idioms, figurative language, poetry etc.

Oh, so now we're able to use idioms, figurative language because it fits the observations and the Bible?  

Retrograde motion was one problem with the geocentric model.  The attempt to fix this was the eccentric and equant model which only caused more problems.  Such as Venus and Mercury were both observed to be on an epicycle around the sun.  

But if this were the case then Venus would be unable to show multiple phases like the moon.  Which was observed to not be the case, so we know that Venus goes around the sun and that Earth must as well.  

Retrograde motion of planets can be explained in a geocentric model http://youtu.be/DDfZ6kTHvE0 



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OoSnap said:
 

Well, why do you believe the Earth is not moving? Because you were taught that so it must be "fact"?

 

"Prove" there are millions of earths across the universe.

Did you read the OP? Scientists admit there is no more "proof" for the heliocentric model than the geocentric model. However for the geocentric model there has been scientific experiments conducted showing the Earth is immobile.


Yes, i can prove it. Its the fact that we dont get thrown into space from right where we are standing. The same fact that keeps your feet on the ground.

Gravity. Its here, its real and you feel its effects every second you live wether you realise it or not. There is no denying it. No pretty what if theory. Gravity is here and it can be tested. It exists. Do you have a theory on why it doesnt apply outside our own planet? Oh mind you man has gone to the moon and there was gravity there aswell! Go figure...

So, if it can be proven and calculated, why is it that it doesnt apply to every other celestial body? Because... magic?



aLkaLiNE said:
HigHurtenflurst said:

I don't think there is much point explaining, I think the point of this thread is to hope a few ignorant non-theists click on a few of the links and listen to what sound like sensible logical explanations refuting complex science that they don't currently understand. The best thing to do unfortunately is lock the thread or not post so it dissapears into the internets own version of the aether.


Bullshit. That's the worst thing to do, there's absolutely nothing wrong with alternative points of view.

 

In fact, I applaud OoSnap for at least taking all modern theories of science with a grain of salt.  I've always seen Science as sloppy because nothing in itself is absolute, just close to certain.  There's literally paradox at every corner and competing theories for EVERYTHING.  I'm not a bible humper and don't go to church, but I do find merit in challenging modern conceptions especially in this day and age where everythings seemingly done with an agenda or to make a quick buck.  

The worst he does here is offer another point of view on a subject we were all taught growing up. This kind of critical thinking challenges what the majority of us percieve. There's nothing wrong with that at all and I can't believe you're so quick to ridicule something that you clearly haven't looked into personally.

 

Information is never ever a bad thing and I'd rather sit here and observe what he has to say before making a judgement based on what I've been told by OTHER strangers.  Fact is we as humans can't prove or disprove shit. You only have your own reality to go off of and that's as far as it goes. I'm interested to hear all sorts of points of view so this thread certainly has merit.


False, falty and bad information is worst than no information.

And that isn't a different point of view, it's just someone trying to make science void by saying bible proves it otherwise and some experiments would agree with it... just like the thread on evolution...

Also what is wrond in science generating conflict and being overhauled and complimented as we discover more things?

Do you believe we all came from the same 2 people??? How would that explain different ethinics, incest being bad and why haven't we suffered from the illness that crossbreeding generates?



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