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Gamer_of_the_Year said:

Gaming journalism is a complete sham. Like most news of today it has lost integrity in an effort to compete with bloggers and social media. Honest reporting has taken a backseat to sensationalized, clickbait, lowest common denominator trash. Payouts, scandals, controversy, political bias, all have turned the world into people living in a bubble or vaccum of their liking. The Order 1886 is a remarkable video game. Not just in the quality of its technical aesthetic (which is the most astonishing thing ever seen in a video game) but in its storytelling and diverse gameplay that does what's right for its story and not what's right to appeal to every gamer under the moon.

Dude, simmer down. It got a metascore of 65, not a 5.

Critics found some redeeming qualities. Maybe its a hard game to recommend for $60 with little value.

Even Sony and the developers will admit the game isn't a masterpiece.



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Burek said:
This review is one reason why I don't like review scores.
So, the game is given 8/10, but it gets 6 for gameplay, 4 for replayability, but 9 and 10 for graphics and sound... Basically, if you (like myself) don't give a damn about graphics and sound, it is way way below 8/10.

To say this game is 8/10 "great" is just plain wrong. This game had a very goid chance to be 9/10 excellent, but ends up being an 8-hour tutorial with a very interesting story.

Sounds like your problem with reviews is that you expect every reviewer to have the same value judgment as you do. While I am sure that I wouldn't agree with an 8/10 score for this game either, Aldro's review was very good. Just by reading the summary and the scores for the individual parts, the reader gets a good idea of what led to the final score. Someone whose values don't align with the reviewer's has an easy time to deduce if they are going to like the game as much as the reviewer.

Remove the scores from this review and you will have to read the entirety of it to come to the exact same conclusion that you derived from the scores. The difference is that one way of doing it saves the reader time.



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Mr Puggsly said:

The problem for me is gameplay and lasting appeal is more significant than graphics and sound. That system for scoring is... archaic.

It doesn't fit when you review great games with simple graphics and sound like the modern classic Rogue Legacy.

That's because you dont rereview games in the future and hold it up to the standards of today -_-, rather you do it with respect to their time of release. (and yknow once again the final verdict =/= overall score)



Maybe we all should stop calling them reviewers, failures or fools is more appropriate or something else im sure you all could come up with something good. Calling them reviewers implies some competence and intelligence in actually giving a honest logical opinion on a product.



Aldro said:
Mr Puggsly said:

The problem for me is gameplay and lasting appeal is more significant than graphics and sound. That system for scoring is... archaic.

It doesn't fit when you review great games with simple graphics and sound like the modern classic Rogue Legacy.

That's because you dont rereview games in the future and hold it up to the standards of today -_-, rather you do it with respect to their time of release. (and yknow once again the final verdict =/= overall score)

 

But Rogue Legacy is a game of today and will likely be better remembered than a game like The Order. Reviews that give great scores because of pretty graphics and cool sounds are mostly useless which is why most critics don't do that anymore. If you feel the gameplay is only a 6 than maybe the game doesn't deserve an overall great score.

When it comes to the standards of the future, a game like Super Mario World is timeless because the gameplay is still great. While games like Ryse and The Order had mediocre gameplay at launch. At best, they will be remembered for being a worth a playthrough for their stories.



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Mr Puggsly said:
Aldro said:

That's because you dont rereview games in the future and hold it up to the standards of today -_-, rather you do it with respect to their time of release. (and yknow once again the final verdict =/= overall score)

 

But Rogue Legacy is a game of today and will likely be better remembered than a game like The Order. Reviews that give great scores because of pretty graphics and cool sounds are mostly useless which is why most critics don't do that anymore. If you feel the gameplay is only a 6 than maybe the game doesn't deserve an overall great score.

When it comes to the standards of the future, a game like Super Mario World is timeless because the gameplay is still great. While games like Ryse and The Order had mediocre gameplay at launch. At best, they will be remembered for being a worth a playthrough for their stories.

Cant really comment on Rogue Legacy as I have no clue what that is but the point of my review is to review what is there. If Rogue Legacy does something spectacular, then it can still achieve a high overall score despite the 'graphics' not being a 10. But for what The Order does which is telling a story, and telling it well => Graphics and Sound are absolute detrimental for its success and the gameplay being decent with gunplay far from bad gave me an overall great experience. Will i remember it in 10 years? I do not know. Is it great now? Yes.



Aldro said:

Cant really comment on Rogue Legacy as I have no clue what that is but the point of my review is to review what is there. If Rogue Legacy does something spectacular, then it can still achieve a high overall score despite the 'graphics' not being a 10. But for what The Order does which is telling a story, and telling it well => Graphics and Sound are absolute detrimental for its success and the gameplay being decent with gunplay far from bad gave me an overall great experience. Will i remember it in 10 years? I do not know. Is it great now? Yes.

Here's the thing, you used cutting edge graphics and sound to give The Order a great score. But in the long those things kinda don't matter, they can't even make bad gameplay enjoyable. Which is why many critics don't put much weight on those aspects.

I don't believe cutting edge graphics and sound are detrimental to The Order being an enjoyable experience. Those aspects certainly haven't been crucial to Telltale games being enjoyable.

It sounds like you think the gameplay is lacking, it has little value, but you feel the story is good. Based on the those aspects and your scores, the game deserves a 6.3 which is very close to its metacritic average. However, you actually gave the game an 8 because you like the graphics and sound. Ultimately, a good presentation isn't as appealing as strong gameplay. Therefore graphics, sound, and gameplay shouldn't be weighed the same.



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Im a bit out of time so I just played a little bit of the game. I seriously cant see how this game would ever deserve the 2s and 5s it got, its a solid 7-8 easilly. Nothing has ever looked as gorgeous as it does btw.



Mr Puggsly said:
Aldro said:

Cant really comment on Rogue Legacy as I have no clue what that is but the point of my review is to review what is there. If Rogue Legacy does something spectacular, then it can still achieve a high overall score despite the 'graphics' not being a 10. But for what The Order does which is telling a story, and telling it well => Graphics and Sound are absolute detrimental for its success and the gameplay being decent with gunplay far from bad gave me an overall great experience. Will i remember it in 10 years? I do not know. Is it great now? Yes.

Here's the thing, you used cutting edge graphics and sound to give The Order a great score. But in the long those things kinda don't matter, they can't even make bad gameplay enjoyable. Which is why many critics don't put much weight on those aspects.

I don't believe cutting edge graphics and sound are detrimental to The Order being an enjoyable experience. Those aspects certainly haven't been crucial to Telltale games being enjoyable.

It sounds like you think the gameplay is lacking, it has little value, but you feel the story is good. Based on the those aspects and your scores, the game deserves a 6.3 which is very close to its metacritic average. However, you actually gave the game an 8 because you like the graphics and sound. Ultimately, a good presentation isn't as appealing as strong gameplay. Therefore graphics, sound, and gameplay shouldn't be weighed the same.

>bolded, No. They did not count toward the overall score of Great. I said in my opening paragraph that the game lives and dies with its story, and the story was Incredible. That was the main attraction. But yes, the graphics and sound help greatly to sell the story. Telltales game also have what I consider even worse gameplay than The Order so your argument fails in my eyes. Telltale also tells a fantastic story but it is a prime example of where graphics/sound isnt needed because in reality, a well told and written story CAN infact carry an entire game.



Aldro said:

>bolded, No. They did not count toward the overall score of Great. I said in my opening paragraph that the game lives and dies with its story, and the story was Incredible. That was the main attraction. But yes, the graphics and sound help greatly to sell the story. Telltales game also have what I consider even worse gameplay than The Order so your argument fails in my eyes. Telltale also tells a fantastic story but it is a prime example of where graphics/sound isnt needed because in reality, a well told and written story CAN infact carry an entire game.

Well I agree some of this. Its a game that people will probably appreciate for story and setting. I honestly don't think great visuals are the primary reason people will want The Order. People will buy The Order hoping for a good shooter.

Maybe the developers didn't know what they wanted to make. They wanted to tell a story like Quantic Dreams or Telltale... but there is more money shooters.

Maybe Sony should have been forthright about what kind of game The Order is. Sony got people excited for a shooter but disappointed them.

It sounds like you enjoyed the story, but the critics seem to have mixed feelings on execution.



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