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dyremose on 13 January 2015
HollyGamer said:
I don't mind living with non Muslim people, and in Islam they teach their people to live in tolerant with different believe, but i cannot live with people who ask Muslim people doing forbidden thing (like force muslim people to eat pork, drinking alcohol, or let their muslim children influenced by free sex and same gender marriage or even worse forbid the woman wearing hijab (exception for burka )).


Who locked you in a basement and forced you to do that?  Because that is illegal and you should have called the authorities afterwards.. 



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setsunatenshi on 13 January 2015
HollyGamer said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
HollyGamer said:
I don't mind living with non Muslim people, and in Islam they teach their people to live in tolerant with different believe, but i cannot live with people who ask Muslim people doing forbidden thing (like force muslim people to eat pork, drinking alcohol, or let their muslim children influenced by free sex and same gender marriage or even worse forbid the woman wearing hijab (exception for burka )).

No one forces these things of Muslim people in Western countries. Exception being wearing a hijab in public schools in France. But that's for all religious symbols and they do (did?) the same in Turkey.

If you think they shouldn't have a "soft influence" by the surrounding culture, then they shouldn't be in that culture to begin with. That's like me going to Iran and expecting to have booze readily available because I don't need soft influence.

Anyone can profess whatever religion they like. But killing people is not justifiable and this mayor is 100% correct.

One of my best friends is Afghan/British. He's disgusted by these actions and hates the Taliban. He's a wonderful human being and feels grateful to have lived his life in the UK. We have no problems with people like that (bar some stupid assholes). Every time he comes over I'm careful to serve him halal food. He makes no mention of his religion and has zero negativity towards me and my friends, who are mostly atheist.

This is all good. Terrorists can fuck off.

I believe all Muslim hate terorisme, we can agree with that, and all Muslim is tolerant to people who have different way of live , the same with your friend which is a good guy. The same thing with "killing" but i guess excpetion with "dead penalty " which is part of syariah law in Islamic country, i guess this also happen in modern country.


Oh so it's you who decides what ALL muslims think then... good to know. I've seen some imbeciles claiming ALL muslims are terrorists, but it's also nice to see there's people that think 100% of muslims are freedom loving hippies :)

Something tells me not to trust either of the claims...



mai on 13 January 2015
HollyGamer said:

Jew had the worse treatment under the Vatican, but it was gone when chaliphate rule over spain and Jarusalem. So if Muslim culture dominate it will not bring any harm to other culture.

Who had worse treatment and why is not a point (that's not a contest after all). What I'm trying to tell is the logic of the moment is smth like European Patriotic Act, smth like this, smth like right-wing regimes and everything else that will deepen religious and ethnic conflicts in Europe -- win-win sutiation for those who want to shake that eurozone tree so leaves will fall off, metaphorically speaking.

As for the whole multiculturalism thing, f**k it, I'm all the way for monoculturalism.



Ninsect on 13 January 2015
Ka-pi96 said:
kitler53 said:
i have a couple muslim friends here in america and i assure you they enjoy their freedoms and are respectful of other cultures. it is not right to generalize all of muslims like that.

..but it can be fuck hard not to think it sometimes when you see yet another act of senseless violence against women or westerners or anyone with the audacity to live free and not under the repression of a militant muslim rule every single fucking day.

Considering the guy saying it is Muslim himself I don't think he's generalising...

He isn't talking about all muslims though, only those who do things like recent events



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HollyGamer on 13 January 2015
badgenome said:
HollyGamer said:

Maybe i heard it under different name, or maybe i missed it, can you elaborate?

They were a ruling dynasty of Andalusia who eradicated countless Jewish communities in Iberia and finished off Christianity in North Africa.

I am sorry i guess you miss read, it was Valencia, Juan de Ribera who cleans the Muslim ethnic from Moroccan  who live on Spain after the fall of Andalusia Caliphate, not the otherway around LOl.



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Lafiel on 13 January 2015
mai said:
HollyGamer said:

Jew had the worse treatment under the Vatican, but it was gone when chaliphate rule over spain and Jarusalem. So if Muslim culture dominate it will not bring any harm to other culture.

Who had worse treatment and why is not a point (that's not a contest after all). What I'm trying to tell is the logic of the moment is smth like European Patriotic Act, smth like this, smth like right-wing regimes and everything else that will deepen religious and ethnic conflicts in Europe -- win-win sutiation for those who want to shake that eurozone tree so leaves will fall off, metaphorically speaking.

As for the whole multiculturalism thing, f**k it, I'm all the way for monoculturalism.

curse those weak russian leaders that allowed other cultures to stay/to live after gaining reign over their lands, huh?



badgenome on 13 January 2015
HollyGamer said:

I am sorry i guess you miss read, it was Valencia, Juan de Ribera who cleans the Muslim ethnic from Moroccan  who live on Spain after the fall of Andalusia Caliphate, not the otherway around LOl.

I honestly have no idea what you are saying.



HollyGamer on 13 January 2015
dyremose said:
HollyGamer said:
I don't mind living with non Muslim people, and in Islam they teach their people to live in tolerant with different believe, but i cannot live with people who ask Muslim people doing forbidden thing (like force muslim people to eat pork, drinking alcohol, or let their muslim children influenced by free sex and same gender marriage or even worse forbid the woman wearing hijab (exception for burka )).


Who locked you in a basement and forced you to do that?  Because that is illegal and you should have called the authorities afterwards.. 

Whut whut, LOl i dont understand at all at least put a little bit of effort in replying.



captain carot on 13 January 2015
HollyGamer said:
captain carot said:
Funny. As far as i know there isn't one syariah law but many versions. It seems that Mohammeds followers where somewhat practical and used many regional laws/traditions for different versions of their religious laws. At least that is what most theologists say.

As for muslims, i dont care about someones religion. There live many muslims over here. Most of them speaking perfect german and having a 'normal' live with some religious rules.
I hate fundamentalists though, doesnt matter if by religion or ideology.

An assholes is just an asshole. Maybe a racist asshole, fundamentalist asshole or whatever. It still is an asshole.

And that basically is what people are that force others with violence.

maybe u should hate fundamentalist who defending their  freedom of speach, facism  democracy, and communisme as well.


I hate fundamentalists though, doesnt matter if by religion or ideology.

Read this part?

 

By the way, freedom of speech by itself as well as democracy arent fundamentalist. Democracy is just a form of government. Something that is up to a society as a whole to decide. And up to every muslim population in a muslim country by itself. As far as i know the most countries with muslim majority are democracies. Some secularistic, others religious.

Freedom of speech is quite important. That allows everyone to speak freely. Muslims as well as others. But that is a freedem that might differ. Denying holocaust for example is something you can do in the US but not in Germany. This is an act of crime to be punished by a fine, suspended sentence or, in extreme cases jail.


And there is a major difference as well in going to kill people, like Breivik or those french terrorists or NSU in Germany did or to protest for something.

 

That said, anyone who lives here has to bend to some of our societies rules. But neither european governments nor the majority of europeans demand muslims or others to give up on everything. Still there are rules everyone has to accept.

I would have to accecpt laws and social rules in muslim countries as well.



HollyGamer on 13 January 2015
badgenome said:
HollyGamer said:

I am sorry i guess you miss read, it was Valencia, Juan de Ribera who cleans the Muslim ethnic from Moroccan  who live on Spain after the fall of Andalusia Caliphate, not the otherway around LOl.

I honestly have no idea what you are saying.

It's the other way around,  it was a tragedy of Marocoan Muslim Genocide by a Christian King of Spain after Muhammad XII surender their teritory.