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Mr.Playstation said:
Conina said:
Mr.Playstation said:

Most people on PCs are interested in graphics, otherwise what's the use. Even on steam reviews are given on graphics and games are called console ports if they only allow you to change the resolution. One such game is South park: The stick of truth which is criticised for being 30fps and only allowing you to change the resolution. Nobody mentioned the fact that it is extremely optimized and controls well.

Ever heard of the term "vocal minority"? And there are many other advantages in PC gaming besides graphics and power.


Yes, but let me just tell you that most actually do care about graphics and if steam is a vocal minority than PC gaming doesn't exist since physical sales are practical non-existant.

What other advantages? PC gaming is rarely cheaper than console gaming. Yeah you can do more with a gaming PC but you can also do the same stuff with a cheap Netbook and who doesn't have at least one PC already these days.

Most care about graphics, but not to the extent that they have to upgrade if a game doesn't run at 1080p with 60fps on Ultra.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

Obviously that's just Steam... but it shows that 20% of them use an Intel GPU (which are all integrated graphics)... almost 65% game at less than 1080p... Hell 12% still don't have more than 2GB of RAM (it's been a few years since I have seen a prebuilt with less than 4GB except on a notebook).

PC gaming is about choice and customisation, yes there are some who have big triple monitor set-ups and buy the top new graphics cards every year or two, but there are also people like me, gaming on a relatively basic laptop with graphics on medium if not low, and at 1366*768 and no idea what FPS I am getting. Then there is also a spread of people inbetween.



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HigHurtenflurst said:

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

Obviously that's just Steam... but it shows that 20% of them use an Intel GPU (which are all integrated graphics)...

A small correction... it shows that 20% of the systems on Steam have an Intel GPU, no matter if it is used or deactivated... it often idles because the graphic output device is an additional GPU (AMD/Nvidia graphic card or onboard GPU).



Mr.Playstation said:
Conina said:
Mr.Playstation said:

Most people on PCs are interested in graphics, otherwise what's the use. Even on steam reviews are given on graphics and games are called console ports if they only allow you to change the resolution. One such game is South park: The stick of truth which is criticised for being 30fps and only allowing you to change the resolution. Nobody mentioned the fact that it is extremely optimized and controls well.

Ever heard of the term "vocal minority"? And there are many other advantages in PC gaming besides graphics and power.


Yes, but let me just tell you that most actually do care about graphics and if steam is a vocal minority than PC gaming doesn't exist since physical sales are practical non-existant.

What other advantages? PC gaming is rarely cheaper than console gaming. Yeah you can do more with a gaming PC but you can also do the same stuff with a cheap Netbook and who doesn't have at least one PC already these days.

That's a very close minded view. I can tell you that the graphics crazy portion of PC gamers is an absolute minority. The graphics crazed PC gamers that actually have the money for it is even smaller. A lot of people just prefer PC as a platform for various reasons. Think of all the MOBA, Simulation and RTS fans. They usally run games that you barely even need a graphics card for.

Why is it so hard for you to accept that PC is as much as avalid gaming platform as consoles are? It has its advantages and unique games and features so why wouldn't some people prefer it over consoles? Being able to have the best gaming experiences if you have the money for it is just one of the things.

PCs are not universally superior, neither are consoles. Saying all PC gamers are graphics whores is like saying all console gamers hate good graphics and are too stupid to use a PC.



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Conina said:
HigHurtenflurst said:

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

Obviously that's just Steam... but it shows that 20% of them use an Intel GPU (which are all integrated graphics)...

A small correction... it shows that 20% of the systems on Steam have an Intel GPU, no matter if it is used or deactivated... it often idles because the graphic output device is an additional GPU (AMD/Nvidia graphic card or onboard GPU).

Oh, ok... though now it seems really low...I mean don't all Intel CPUs come with an Integrated GPU now (and for the past 5 years at least). Surely if 75% of people have an Intel CPU then it should be almost that (like 65-70%) that have Intel GPU.



I would like to make a minor correction for a statement made earlier, It was made a few pages back.
To the person that suggested a 400W PSU for a 4770k paired with a GTX 980, this is a very bad idea.

For a gaming machine (especially if you plan to overlcock anything) you should always buy a PSU that is rated at least %20 higher than the actual system draw, even if you have a Platinum rated PSU. The reasoning behind this is that if you buy a PSU that is too closely rated to your actual draw the PSU will be working at full capacity at nearly all times of operation. This will cause an early failure of your PSU, random reboots, BSOD's during power spikes among other PSU related issues.
If you get a PSU that is rated at lest 20% higher than actual draw on your system it will not run as hot, will last longer and even after a few years when it is no longer able to run at maximum efficiency it will still be able to power your system without the above motioned issues.
A 4770K (or comparable CPU), with 2 drives (any combo of SDD, HDD, and ODD), and a GTX 980 should have at least a 550W Silver rated PSU for the best stability over the long term. (this assumes a typical system with 3+ fans and 2-4 USB devices connected at all times)



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Raistline said:

I would like to make a minor correction for a statement made earlier, It was made a few pages back.
To the person that suggested a 400W PSU for a 4770k paired with a GTX 980, this is a very bad idea.

For a gaming machine (especially if you plan to overlcock anything) you should always buy a PSU that is rated at least %20 higher than the actual system draw, even if you have a Platinum rated PSU. The reasoning behind this is that if you buy a PSU that is too closely rated to your actual draw the PSU will be working at full capacity at nearly all times of operation. This will cause an early failure of your PSU, random reboots, BSOD's during power spikes among other PSU related issues.
If you get a PSU that is rated at lest 20% higher than actual draw on your system it will not run as hot, will last longer and even after a few years when it is no longer able to run at maximum efficiency it will still be able to power your system without the above motioned issues.
A 4770K (or comparable CPU), with 2 drives (any combo of SDD, HDD, and ODD), and a GTX 980 should have at least a 550W Silver rated PSU for the best stability over the long term. (this assumes a typical system with 3+ fans and 2-4 USB devices connected at all times)

Seconded, ideally you want to be aiming for load usage of 75-85% of the maximum capacity of the PSU, depending on the rating (gold, silver, etc), not only are you less likely to have a meltdown, but it's also the sweet spot for maximum efficiency.

If you are adding up the power consumption of the various parts, and, for example, getting a figure like 443 watts, you should be buying a 550W or 600W psu, NOT a 450W psu.



Raistline said:

I would like to make a minor correction for a statement made earlier, It was made a few pages back.
To the person that suggested a 400W PSU for a 4770k paired with a GTX 980, this is a very bad idea.

For a gaming machine (especially if you plan to overlcock anything) you should always buy a PSU that is rated at least %20 higher than the actual system draw, even if you have a Platinum rated PSU. The reasoning behind this is that if you buy a PSU that is too closely rated to your actual draw the PSU will be working at full capacity at nearly all times of operation. This will cause an early failure of your PSU, random reboots, BSOD's during power spikes among other PSU related issues.
If you get a PSU that is rated at lest 20% higher than actual draw on your system it will not run as hot, will last longer and even after a few years when it is no longer able to run at maximum efficiency it will still be able to power your system without the above motioned issues.
A 4770K (or comparable CPU), with 2 drives (any combo of SDD, HDD, and ODD), and a GTX 980 should have at least a 550W Silver rated PSU for the best stability over the long term. (this assumes a typical system with 3+ fans and 2-4 USB devices connected at all times)

The power draw for a 4770k@4.4GHz + 980 is less than 300W(including the rest of the system). Meaning the system won't even reach 80% PSU capacity.

http://www.computerbase.de/2014-09/geforce-gtx-980-970-test-sli-nvidia/12/

People are too fast overestimating actual consumption of hardware. Especially when it comes to Intel and Nvidia which have notoriously high efficiency.

The only reason I will probably buy a 450W or 480W PSU for my i7 5770k + Big Maxwell combo is that smaller PSUs do not have enough connectors. Broadwell i7s will draw even less than Haswells due to the shrink and I would rather kill myself before I buy a 500+W PSU ever again.



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Alot of bad info in this thread.



My husbands just come home with 4 evga gtx980 classified cards, lol.



Tachikoma said:
My husbands just come home with 4 evga gtx980 classified cards, lol.


Husbands?