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World War 3 coming?

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Danman27 said:
WagnerPaiva said:
Danman27 said:
US's military would destroy almost any military on Earth, We're allies with almost every large military in the world. If WWIII were to happen, it would be over in a couple months.


Yes it would, but not with the ending you imagine.

Nukes? We wouldn't use nukes. 

We never had them (nukes) before in a real war.

In 1945, when US used theirs, no one else had them.

It all depends on how desesperate the countries get. And I really do not see a open war happening, I think we will be in war for years till someone have the courage to state that we are indeed in a world war.

The main thing is that the US is in deep debt and they don´t know how to get out, all they have left is the mightiest military in the world.

The last measures the US took with the easter OPEP players ruined Brazil for ever and are hurting Russia pretty bad. If we could defend ourseleves, we would. But we can´t. We got nothing. We have a single attack helicopter, 48 planes with 50 years old tech.

Russia, in other hand, have a military power with around 85% of US´s own military. That is pretty impressive.

When all you have is a hammer, all problems look like nails.

Again, I love everyone, I don´t want war. But I think obama is playing with fire.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

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WagnerPaiva said:

 

In the case of Phillipines, I wonder if China is interested in terms of strategical position to launch eventual counterattacks. These countries know a lot more about US agenda than what we think.

The Paris attack yesterday is probably a false flag to promote a cause. Which country is the prepetator and what is the agenda being pushed remains a mistery.

In our case, China just wants to take the entire South China Sea. Its more like a resource grab than anything strategic.

I kid you not, the US is not starting anything here, this is a simply a Chinese ambition for global power and China is not reacting to anything either, they are just doing it because they can. Oh hell! Sounds familiar. lol! I guess if anything they have a role model with the US. xD

Also, the US is at its weakest in terms of influence here in Asia, there is a reason Japan is arming itself because everyone feels the US will not act when China goes full gun-ho, well at least until the next President takes office. I guess. :/



tiffac said:
WagnerPaiva said:

 

In the case of Phillipines, I wonder if China is interested in terms of strategical position to launch eventual counterattacks. These countries know a lot more about US agenda than what we think.

The Paris attack yesterday is probably a false flag to promote a cause. Which country is the prepetator and what is the agenda being pushed remains a mistery.

In our case, China just wants to take the entire South China Sea. Its more like a resource grab than anything strategic.

I kid you not, the US is not starting anything here, this is a simply a Chinese ambition for global power and China is not reacting to anything either, they are just doing it because they can. Oh hell! Sounds familiar. lol! I guess if anything they have a role model with the US. xD

Also, the US is at its weakest in terms of influence here in Asia, there is a reason Japan is arming itself because everyone feels the US will not act when China goes full gun-ho, well at least until the next President takes office. I guess. :/

Yes, maybe you are right =D



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

WagnerPaiva said:
Mikmster said:
Nope, Russians military is to weak and pathetic to go to war with anyone.

While for all the big talk they are no where near bat shit crazy enough to use nukes. At worst they will relive the 90s and recover 10 times faster when oil prices go up.

They over reached and are paying for it, they and every one around them knows it.

RESULTS

GFP Rank:
1 (of 106)
2 (of 106)

As much as I'm pleased with honorable 2nd place the Russian Army has been awarded by GFP, that's a load of poppycock. Not only the numbers are off, they don't take into account a lot of things, like battle readiness or operational tempo. Some nonsensical data like "available manpower". China beats us all in that department. Has anyone from GFP asked himself a question how much "available" is that, and how PCR is going to mobilize, supply and relocate that horde? Due to the nature of these aggregative ratings their practical use don't go too far from entertainment. Even if they've cited accurate numbers, that's still a "spherical horse in vacuum" situation.

At the same time I'm pretty sure Russian Army is well equipped for any military operation within, say, ~1000 km of its borders. Anything above that might be problematic due to lack of substantial military infrastructure abroad.



tiffac said:
WagnerPaiva said:

 

In the case of Phillipines, I wonder if China is interested in terms of strategical position to launch eventual counterattacks. These countries know a lot more about US agenda than what we think.

The Paris attack yesterday is probably a false flag to promote a cause. Which country is the prepetator and what is the agenda being pushed remains a mistery.

In our case, China just wants to take the entire South China Sea. Its more like a resource grab than anything strategic.

I kid you not, the US is not starting anything here, this is a simply a Chinese ambition for global power and China is not reacting to anything either, they are just doing it because they can. Oh hell! Sounds familiar. lol! I guess if anything they have a role model with the US. xD

Also, the US is at its weakest in terms of influence here in Asia, there is a reason Japan is arming itself because everyone feels the US will not act when China goes full gun-ho, well at least until the next President takes office. I guess. :/

I'm not quite getting this kind of sentiments from people from anti-Chinese coalition nations the US is building up in the South China Sea. I could understand a political sense behind this, but don't see why regular people have problems with Chinese. Even if I put myself in the shoes of Vietnamese or Filipino shouldn't I be more of anti-Americanist given previous conflicts with the US cost them both at least 2m and 200 thousands of civilian deaths respectively? So even if we consider China is "evil", shouldn't it be lesser evil in people's minds even though that is totally subjective?

And if anything South China Sea is a pot with a lot of holes, which could be easily closed military-wise and on which PCR depends (energy imports, commodities exports). Resource grab doesn't sound convincing, but threat of economic blockade if very much real. So it makes a lot of sense to build up military infrastructure there. They're desperate enough to build artificial islands solely for that purpose.



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WagnerPaiva said:
Danman27 said:
WagnerPaiva said:
Danman27 said:
US's military would destroy almost any military on Earth, We're allies with almost every large military in the world. If WWIII were to happen, it would be over in a couple months.


Yes it would, but not with the ending you imagine.

Nukes? We wouldn't use nukes. 

We never had them (nukes) before in a real war.

In 1945, when US used theirs, no one else had them.

It all depends on how desesperate the countries get. And I really do not see a open war happening, I think we will be in war for years till someone have the courage to state that we are indeed in a world war.

The main thing is that the US is in deep debt and they don´t know how to get out, all they have left is the mightiest military in the world.

The last measures the US took with the easter OPEP players ruined Brazil for ever and are hurting Russia pretty bad. If we could defend ourseleves, we would. But we can´t. We got nothing. We have a single attack helicopter, 48 planes with 50 years old tech.

Russia, in other hand, have a military power with around 85% of US´s own military. That is pretty impressive.

When all you have is a hammer, all problems look like nails.

Again, I love everyone, I don´t want war. But I think obama is playing with fire.

Read more, you don't understand how national debt looks, and the rest of your response doesn't make sense to me, please clarify. 



mai said:

I'm not quite getting this kind of sentiments from people from anti-Chinese coalition nations the US is building up in the South China Sea. I could understand a political sense behind this, but don't see why regular people have problems with Chinese. Even if I put myself in the shoes of Vietnamese or Filipino shouldn't I be more of anti-Americanist given previous conflicts with the US cost them both at least 2m and 200 thousands of civilian deaths respectively? So even if we consider China is "evil", shouldn't it be lesser evil in people's minds even though that is totally subjective?

And if anything South China Sea is a pot with a lot of holes, which could be easily closed military-wise and on which PCR depends (energy imports, commodities exports). Resource grab doesn't sound convincing, but threat of economic blockade if very much real. So it makes a lot of sense to build up military infrastructure there. They're desperate enough to build artificial islands solely for that purpose.

China is the clear and present danger. The Americans may be building up but they ain't taking or claiming territories away. China has no excuse on that one and the American conflict is in the WAY past for us, unlike in Vietnam which happened in the 60's to 70's but on the other hand we did get rid of them and closed the American bases.

There is oil and natural gas in the Spratlys which is part of the South China Sea. It is the most contested part but China happens to want it and everything else.

Also, communism has a bad seed here in the Philippines called the New Peoples Army, they have become hooligans instead of freedom fighters. While there are Anti-American groups, they aren't as big anymore as they were before because of what the NPA has become.

Note: Edited.



tiffac said:
mai said:

I'm not quite getting this kind of sentiments from people from anti-Chinese coalition nations the US is building up in the South China Sea. I could understand a political sense behind this, but don't see why regular people have problems with Chinese. Even if I put myself in the shoes of Vietnamese or Filipino shouldn't I be more of anti-Americanist given previous conflicts with the US cost them both at least 2m and 200 thousands of civilian deaths respectively? So even if we consider China is "evil", shouldn't it be lesser evil in people's minds even though that is totally subjective?

And if anything South China Sea is a pot with a lot of holes, which could be easily closed military-wise and on which PCR depends (energy imports, commodities exports). Resource grab doesn't sound convincing, but threat of economic blockade if very much real. So it makes a lot of sense to build up military infrastructure there. They're desperate enough to build artificial islands solely for that purpose.

China is the clear and present danger. The Americans may be building up but they ain't taking or claiming territories away. China has no excuse on that one and the American conflict is in the WAY past for us, unlike in Vietnam which happened in the 60's to 70's but on the other hand we did get rid of them and closed the American bases.

There is oil and natural gas in the Spratlys which is part of the South China Sea. It is the most contested part but China happens to want it and everything else.

Also, communism has a bad seed here in the Philippines called the New Peoples Army, they have become hooligans instead of freedom fighters. While there are Anti-American groups, they aren't as big anymore as they were before because of what the NPA has become.

Note: Edited.

If China is clear and present danger while the US (or rather global oligarchy) is not it's only a sign of political shortsightedness. Don't take my word for granted, you may research the history of that limitroph-o-land between Russia's and Germany's borders before and during WW2. So you could get an idea of the historical fate of various proxies, which for the most part were ruled by nationalistic, revanchist or fascistic regimes at the time. E.g. the fate of 2nd Polich Republic should be the most revaling -- annex part of Czechoslovakia along with Germany and Hungary only to follow the same fate next year -- probably nor Moscicki, nor Rydz-Smigły would have thought that's a possibility. I beg a pardon in advance, I'm no expert in Philippine-American political affairs, but from here Philipines do look like typical US client state and therefore a proxy.

Consider this, how much from 40bln Uncle Sam owes you is going to be paid, ever? Compare credit and emission based economy of the US to the Chinese one that produces actual commodities and therefore could pay with real wealth. But if you want to extend the life of this neo-colonial system at your own expense instead, sure, why not.



mai said:

If China is clear and present danger while the US (or rather global oligarchy) is not it's only a sign of political shortsightedness. Don't take my word for granted, you may research the history of that limitroph-o-land between Russia's and Germany's borders before and during WW2. So you could get an idea of the historical fate of various proxies, which for the most part were ruled by nationalistic, revanchist or fascistic regimes at the time. E.g. the fate of 2nd Polich Republic should be the most revaling -- annex part of Czechoslovakia along with Germany and Hungary only to follow the same fate next year -- probably nor Moscicki, nor Rydz-Smigły would have thought that's a possibility. I beg a pardon in advance, I'm no expert in Philippine-American political affairs, but from here Philipines do look like typical US client state and therefore a proxy.

Consider this, how much from 40bln Uncle Sam owes you is going to be paid, ever? Compare credit and emission based economy of the US to the Chinese one that produces actual commodities and therefore could pay with real wealth.

I have no idea what that has anything to do with China taking and claiming territories here in Asia... like I said China has no excuse on that one.

If you want to put the US as the ultimate evil, hay go ahead man I ain't defending them but don't turn a blind eye on China too because they are acting like the US you hate right now.

The Philippines is the ass-kisser* of whoever country has money. We even agreed on China that Taiwan was part of it before China went ape on territorial waters. That's how bad my country is, so take everything you see with a grain of salt, especially on relations. It depends on the administration.



tiffac said:
mai said:

If China is clear and present danger while the US (or rather global oligarchy) is not it's only a sign of political shortsightedness. Don't take my word for granted, you may research the history of that limitroph-o-land between Russia's and Germany's borders before and during WW2. So you could get an idea of the historical fate of various proxies, which for the most part were ruled by nationalistic, revanchist or fascistic regimes at the time. E.g. the fate of 2nd Polich Republic should be the most revaling -- annex part of Czechoslovakia along with Germany and Hungary only to follow the same fate next year -- probably nor Moscicki, nor Rydz-Smigły would have thought that's a possibility. I beg a pardon in advance, I'm no expert in Philippine-American political affairs, but from here Philipines do look like typical US client state and therefore a proxy.

Consider this, how much from 40bln Uncle Sam owes you is going to be paid, ever? Compare credit and emission based economy of the US to the Chinese one that produces actual commodities and therefore could pay with real wealth.

I have no idea what that has anything to do with China taking and claiming territories here in Asia... like I said China has no excuse on that one.

If you want to put the US as the ultimate evil, hay go ahead man I ain't defending them but don't turn a blind eye on China too because they are acting like the US you hate right now.

The Philippines is the ass-kisser* of whoever country has money. We even agreed on China that Taiwan was part of it before China went ape on territorial waters. That's how bad my country is, so take everything you see with a grain of salt, especially on relations. It depends on the administration.

If history teaches us only one thing -- it teaches us nothing -- then yes, sure, no parallels at all.

I'm not calling the US an ultimate evil, I've even corrected myself: "or rather global oligarchy" -- it just easier reformulate the point in the reality of nation-state of the US and its interests rather than talking about vague topic of the oligarchs and their interests. To an extent we're in the same boat with Americans as they'll be much poorer in years to come regarldess if they "win" or "lose" that war. But as long as oligarchy uses US emission center and military at their own advantage I consider these two concepts are practically interchangeable.

Ideally the following conflicts that are bound to happen should be perceived by the public not like "US vs Russia", "US vs China" or even "US vs the World", but "Oligarchy vs the World".