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Will Sony Drop PS4 to 349?

No, they will let it ride a 399 164 39.42%
 
Yes 63 15.14%
 
No, but they will offer other incentives 189 45.43%
 
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Fusioncode on 28 October 2014

They should respond by raising the price and seeing if they still win.



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bigjon on 28 October 2014

I meant to put this in the OP but another point of reference is apple products.

People have a perception that Apple products are better and the higher price point reinforces that in people's minds. Why should I get the XB1 when for just 50 bucks more I can get the superior PS4. People are will to pay over 100 dollars to get the 32.gb I pad over the 16 gb even though the capabilities are identical and the cost of the increased store is marginal to Apple.



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Sixteenvolt420 on 28 October 2014

Unless XBone starts gaining some serious ground, there is no need for Sony to cut the price yet.



method114 on 28 October 2014
Landguy said:
method114 said:
Landguy said:

If a new item(Kinectless XB1) doesn't have the functionality/capability of an "old" item (XB1 with Kinect), how can anyone really say they are the same thing regardless of whether you find any Value in the kinect?  The kinect adds a whole different capability to the XB1.  So, comparing a $349 kinectless XB1 to the $449 version with Kinect is laughable.  

Most of this thread and the other 4-5 threads about the $50 price drop are filled with this same logic.  Oddly, I don't see anyone making this logic leap outside of PS fans trying to make a bigger deal out of a $50 price drop a year after launch.  

As far as sales increasing(bolded), that was just plain silly.  Of course sales will increase when a different version of product comes out and has a %20 price difference.  On top of that, the entry point was now under $400, which had a more meaningful impact than any other reason.  I don't think that many people would argue that a majority of buyers seem to not care about Kinect functionality.  The fact that the Kinect included sku is still being sold tells you that the value is still there for buyers.


So going by your logic the kinect model got a $50 price drop in a year while the kinect less model dropped $50 in what 6 months?

That is exactly what happened, isn't it?

It is except in your statement you treat the skus.separately when it comes to the dropping price. Then when it comes to how long it took you combine them into one and say it's been a year.



starcraft on 28 October 2014
iTechHeads said:
Seece said:
Bargin bin ... dear lord. $400 to $350 a year after launch is not bargin bin, and I hardly see this hurting MS/XB1 ...

They're devaluing their product by doing constant price cuts and free game giveaways.

A product that is popular and selling well doesn't have price cuts and free game promotions every month. It doesn't need them.

BTW, the Xbox One launched at $500, not $400.

This SKU has seen a single price cut.

You could argue that the price of entry has been lowered twice.

Is it everything Microsoft hoped? No. Is it 'constant?' No.



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Landguy on 28 October 2014

yes I do. The bundles haven't even been released yet, do we say negative time for them?

so what difference does it make if a scaled down version is placed on sale 6 months after launching?



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theprof00 on 28 October 2014

Im confused.
so is the argument against 150$ price difference the fact that a price drop can only refer to instances in which nothing other than the simple price is cut?

Thats perfectly reasonable. However I think the context is very important. When people are us in the word price cut in the context of 150$ drop, they are referring to the idea that the xb1 is in dire straits. Ie; Microsoft has made the entry point for the xb1 console 150$ lower, because, economically speaking, there isnt enough value in the kinect bundle to sell as many consoles as they would like. So they've increased the value by removing things consumers thought was unnecessary.

Maybe im being unreasonable but barring a better word for it, I think it should be perfectly acceptable to call that a price cut. Otherwise they'd have to write that whole paragraph every time. Sometimes "buzzwords" dont fit perfectly but become widely adopted in a different usage because the leap isnt distant enough to confuse anyone.

Its like saying something is full of win. Theres no specific definition for it, but if you said it to someone for the first time, it would be reasonably associated to what is meant, because although it doesn't fit the actual meaning, its close enough.

Source: over a dozen courses in psychology of language and linguistics.



Nem on 28 October 2014

Probably not. They dont really need to, plus its a temporary price cut. Sales numbers in january will drop dramatically.



DJEVOLVE on 28 October 2014
iTechHeads said:
Seece said:
Bargin bin ... dear lord. $400 to $350 a year after launch is not bargin bin, and I hardly see this hurting MS/XB1 ...

They're devaluing their product by doing constant price cuts and free game giveaways.

A product that is popular and selling well doesn't have price cuts and free game promotions every month. It doesn't need them.

BTW, the Xbox One launched at $500, not $400.


By the way they took out Kinect, so it's not a price cut, it's a completely different sku. You don't get Kinect.  Make sure to conveniently forget every time you make this reference.



DJEVOLVE on 28 October 2014
theprof00 said:
Im confused.
so is the argument against 150$ price difference the fact that a price drop can only refer to instances in which nothing other than the simple price is cut?

Thats perfectly reasonable. However I think the context is very important. When people are us in the word price cut in the context of 150$ drop, they are referring to the idea that the xb1 is in dire straits. Ie; Microsoft has made the entry point for the xb1 console 150$ lower, because, economically speaking, there isnt enough value in the kinect bundle to sell as many consoles as they would like. So they've increased the value by removing things consumers thought was unnecessary.

Maybe im being unreasonable but barring a better word for it, I think it should be perfectly acceptable to call that a price cut. Otherwise they'd have to write that whole paragraph every time. Sometimes "buzzwords" dont fit perfectly but become widely adopted in a different usage because the leap isnt distant enough to confuse anyone.

Its like saying something is full of win. Theres no specific definition for it, but if you said it to someone for the first time, it would be reasonably associated to what is meant, because although it doesn't fit the actual meaning, its close enough.

Source: over a dozen courses in psychology of language and linguistics.


It's a different sku, not a price cut. That's all you have to reference, they are still selling the 499  Kinect bundle or now with a 50 dollar price cut. So people are still buying this bundle. So no it is not a price cut, it's different sku.

So by your logic the 499 COD bundle with no Kinect  is a price increase. The 50 is a price cut, the 2 different bundles is exactly that, 2 different bundles. Sony had 500 bundles with games, is that a price increase? No it is a different bundle with different options for a different price.