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starcraft said:
Hynad said:
 

I have noted oh so well. Thank you very much. And you still haven't responded to my PM.

So convenient...

But I know too well not to expect you to admit to being wrong. So I'll go for the second useless option and wait for Curl's unfair and misguided ban to end.

I was not aware that you had asked me any sort of question to respond too?

Curl's ban was lifted a while ago?

The world isn't out to get you Hynad

Not the world, just the mods.

Just a joke don't ban me plox. 



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Hynad said:
starcraft said:

I was not aware that you had asked me any sort of question to respond too?

Curl's ban was lifted a while ago?

The world isn't out to get you Hynad

As if I implied anything about myself in my post. Still showing how low you can go to have the last word. Man... Why were you made a mod again?

Your post was about your PM, in which you didn't ask a question?

I thought that was mostly a post about your needs not being met, to be honest.



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RolStoppable said:
In all seriousness now, starcraft, the PM route is the fastest way to get an answer, because it addresses the mod in question directly. However, if the mod in question is already actively posting in this thread, then quoting him is just as good. Should you have trouble to justify your decisions in public, then that might be because there isn't much justification at all. Similarly, I don't see a point in withholding the name of a moderator who agreed in the mod chat with the decision to moderate, because that moderator is already in the know about the case in question and should have some reasoning to justify the decision as well. Because otherwise he shouldn't have agreed to begin with.

You're presumposing the mod is continuously in this thread. Its been active a couple of weeks, I have posted a handful of times, some mods have never posted. We have dozens of threads brough to our attention every day.

What about our process is not transparent? Mods cannot be able to have honest conversations with one another if they are concerned those conversations will be voiced by other parties. If those mods wish to speak up, I am sure they will. I



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starcraft said:
Hynad said:
starcraft said:
 

I was not aware that you had asked me any sort of question to respond too?

Curl's ban was lifted a while ago?

The world isn't out to get you Hynad

As if I implied anything about myself in my post. Still showing how low you can go to have the last word. Man... Why were you made a mod again?

Your post was about your PM, in which you didn't ask a question?

I thought that was mostly a post about your needs not being met, to be honest.

I sent you the link to the whole conversation I had about Curl's ban here. What's difficult to understand here?

Maybe you should re-read the whole thing?

But since it has now been adressed, you can dismiss all this and move on to whatever it is you do here.



Hynad said:
starcraft said:

Your post was about your PM, in which you didn't ask a question?

I thought that was mostly a post about your needs not being met, to be honest.

I sent you the link to the whole conversation I had about Curl's ban here. What's difficult to understand here?

Maybe you should re-read the whole thing?

But since it has now been adressed, you can dismiss all this and move on to whatever it is you do here.

Something that had been dealt with before your PM had been opened or received.

I am sorry Hynad, but what have I missed here? Do you need a personal apology because a message you sent about something that didnt happen to you and was already resolved, wasn't responded to immediately and to your deepest satisfaction?



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starcraft said:
Hynad said:
starcraft said:
 

Your post was about your PM, in which you didn't ask a question?

I thought that was mostly a post about your needs not being met, to be honest.

I sent you the link to the whole conversation I had about Curl's ban here. What's difficult to understand here?

Maybe you should re-read the whole thing?

But since it has now been adressed, you can dismiss all this and move on to whatever it is you do here.

Something that had been dealt with before your PM had been opened or received.

I am sorry Hynad, but what have I missed here? Do you need a personal apology because a message you sent about something that didnt happen to you and was already resolved, wasn't responded to immediately and to your deepest satisfaction?


That ban shouldn't have been issued in the first place, and since it has now been lifted, you know that too.

 

As I said, it was resolved and now I know. Rol didn't know either at first, by the way, so really, move on to whatever you do here. This is just yet an other of your bans that god lifted. No big deal, really. And seriously, that juvenile jab at me, saying this is somehow about me... Like... really. Don't change buddy. xD



Conegamer said:
Protendo said:
MohammadBadir said:
Ya guys need to add some quality or else everybody'll migrate off VGC! ):
A lot of the Sony guys are on VizionEck now...


I'm going to check them out myself.  Looking through the "moderations" right now gives Vgchartz the appearance of being an Xbox focussed site, I'm looking for one that is more neutral.

You know, it's quite funny. The vast majority of Xbox fans have been driven away from the site because of the "strong Sony bias" on this site. Personally I see it as more of an even mix; perhaps Sony-Nintendo-MS if an order had to be drawn up. Indeed, the scenario with MS got to such a point where fans had to "retreat" into one thread upon fear of sharing news outside of the thread resulting in countless people attacking them for their opinion. All you've seen is threads like this one which are classic cases of that. Sure it's to the extreme here, but the moderations in that thread are because some people are so worked up over what should be a simple concept. The same applies elsewhere.

What I'm trying to say is that you're probably the first person I have seen trying to claim that this site is an Xbox Focused one, or even close to it. Nintendo and Sony I've heard, but not MS. So as Khan said, unless you're willing to back up your points then you'll be moderated. Because right now all this is is unfounded and unrealistic attacks on the site and the mod team.

The problem is that PS4 is better/doing better than XBO. There are way more people on the PS4 side so naturally you'll have more bans on the PS4 side.

 

Going through the most recent bans, 8 are for XBO insults/related while 2 are for PS4 insults/related.  I disagree with it of course, but I can see why a user could come to his conclusion.



RolStoppable said:
starcraft said:

You're presumposing the mod is continuously in this thread. Its been active a couple of weeks, I have posted a handful of times, some mods have never posted. We have dozens of threads brough to our attention every day.

What about our process is not transparent? Mods cannot be able to have honest conversations with one another if they are concerned those conversations will be voiced by other parties. If those mods wish to speak up, I am sure they will. I

By actively posting I mean within the last 30 minutes, that absolutely guarantees that this thread is on the forum buddy of the mod, plus there's a good chance that he is still online.

What's not transparent is when you say that there was a conversation in the mod chat, but refuse to name names. What do you even mean by mods cannot have honest conversations? We are talking about discussions that concern moderations, so there is nothing that mods would have to hide; because ultimately the decision to moderate is something that they have to be able to tell and justify to the community. The only good reason for a mod to withhold names is to cover up a lie, meaning that the other mod(s) and the conversation never existed in the first place; by withholding the name, there is no option for the community to talk to the other mod(s) and verify that such a conversation really took place; but on the other hand it helps a moderator to add more weight to his moderation by suggesting that the moderation was a team decision, ultimately decreasing the chances that a member of the community will pursue the case further.

So there are your answers. I reiterate that curl's case is closed, in case that you haven't seen the edit in my previous post.

EDIT: Also, if someone sends you a PM about a case that has already been resolved, it's not too much to ask for that you write a one-sentence reply to let the user know. Ignoring such a PM doesn't help anybody.

Mod chat is private. For good reason I think. If that changes, fine. Until then, there are another 16-18 people that have access to that chat. If I was lying, I am sure they'd have me out on my ear quite quickly, as you well know :)

I respect Hynad's right to private conversation as much as anyone else's. He may post his PM to me if he wishes. Suffice is to say it neither called for nor warranted a response. In my opinion, he never thought it likely he'd receive one.

Edit: Saw your previous edit.

I see your point. But that said, there are limits to what we as volunteers are able to manage. As has been discussed at length the last couple of days, the sheer number of mods listed for the site isn't representative of the distribution of work. Banning people is generally not a particularly brief task. We can make the effort, and I will strive to, to report back here when relevant - but its simply not realistic to promise there will always be a running commentary from the relevant mod on what happened with a ban that was discussed or alluded too here.



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Hynad said:
 

That ban shouldn't have been issued in the first place, and since it has now been lifted, you know that too.

As I said, it was resolved and now I know. Rol didn't know either at first, by the way, so really, move on to whatever you do here. This is just yet an other of your bans that god lifted. No big deal, really. And seriously, that juvenile jab at me, saying this is somehow about me... Like... really. Don't change buddy. xD

Hynad, you're quite sensitive - particularly to me for some reason - so I'm going to put this in the most polite terms possible.

In the over half a year I have been a moderator I have performed many moderations - though less than other moderators in the same period. Of these:

- A great many have been warnings
- A small proportion have been escalations
- Precious few have been significant bans (over 10 days)
- I am pretty sure you could count the permabans (excluding alts) on one hand - and as you're likely aware they are agreed by the mods in advance.

This does not include the unknowable number of times I have deemed an in-thread message appropriate, all of which renders me one of the more lenient mods on the site.

Of the above moderations:

- 1 has been overturned. Since April when I became a mod.
- 2, that I can recall, have been reduced by senior mods.
- 2 have been reduced by me, after other mods at the same level as me provided me with context I was not aware of. This includes today's moderation, of a user who I get on very well with (in my opinion).

I do not claim complete accuracy above (that would require going through  7 months of moderation reports which don't include warnings, and mod chat), you'll find the numbers are a fair approximation. I am sure some other bans have been reduced or increased by me after committee discussion, as is common for all mods.

However, in addition to carrying out my responsibilities as a moderator with a high degree of success, as outlined above, I share the same series of rights as other users. This includes the right to be treated with a base level of respect by all who choose to interact with me on these boards. That is a right I try my best to protect for other users.

For whatever reason, you have chosen not to afford me that right. I do not understand why, nor do I particularly care. Frankly, unless I inadvertently come across you doing something horrendously against the rules, I simply ignore you, due to the evident annoyance I seemingly cause you. When you forcibly bring yourself to my attention through PMs and posts and what not, it is invariably because you've allowed yourself to get worked up over some perceived slight that has little to do with you, and wish to take issue with it.

Other mods seem willing to be addressed in such a manner by certain users, I am not. Still other mods simply ban similar behaviour. I am a user, here for the enjoyment of the site, along with everyone else. It happens that I volunteer a portion of my time to adjudicate the site's rules, in the effective manner outlined above.

As such, this constitutes me politely asking you to give it a rest. I have every confidence that you're able to intelligently convey any concerns to me directly here or via PM if you have them in future. Equally, I am sure that where you're unable to do this in a polite and intelligent manner, you will feel comfortable going over my head to Kantor or Smeags. Have a nice day



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JayWood2010 said:

25 people were moderated in those two threads this weekend.  RIP VGC community.

For the record, both xbox and PS users were getting moderated.  While mostly PS users there isnt anybody to blame but those users.  Control your emotions people

Many more received warnings. It was a rough weekend.

That said, the forums were generally well behaved for a month before this past week. These things seem to be cyclical.



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