Why do you say the same thing in your threads? X1 is doing okay but not great.

"Soooo I'm assuming you have some facts to back up the fact? :3 Even something really nebulous, like a poll, a survey, some sort of study insisting that not only is the experience considered equivalent to a group of individuals"

"Perhaps you provided study links earlier in the thread, if so, would be much obliged if you could repost them."

~ Zanten

I think you need to reread Zanten's post at its entirety. He explicitly asked you to post links that back up your opinions. I warned you before about reading carefully and being conscious of your words. You really need to be more cautious.

I reported you for trolling now and starting to really insult me post after post. You can ignore what I'm saying and just keep coming with false statement like that but at least be respecfull. After all you reported my first post for that exact reason.

Zanten question was about links to back MY statement about the game experience begin more than just the resolution/fps... I did reply to that and that only and unfortunatly I have no link, so let's say it is an oppinion :). Again you may disagree with me but stop insulting me by saying I did not anwser him (or understood his question).

Maybe they don't care because they don't have a 1080p HDTV?

Big reply coming. xP Feel free to skip to the TL:DR section if your eyes cross, but if you make a reply that misses something I covered in the full post, Imma wrath ya. x3

See, the issue is you're holding up the statement that the PS4 version is viewed as 225% better, versus it being identical. That's a massive gap, and for that matter we both know that reviews aren't exclusively based on the number of pixels that get pushed. =P So no, it wouldn't cause a 2:1 review score difference, that I agree with... but the assessment that virtually all consumers will find the experience equivalent sounds like you're saying 'That 225% resolution advantage is pretty much equivalent, in terms of effect, to a 0% resolution advantage,' which are pretty strong words in and of themselves. There's also a notable difference between being an existing console owner- having an Xbox One already, for example, in which case, resolution isn't likely to matter one whit, because you've already got your console, in much the same way the PS3 version performance differences didn't matter quite so much to existing PS3 owners- and being a prospective buyer, weighing the options, deciding which side to jump on.

So no, I don't believe that a PS4 version is 225% better. But with that kind of performance gap, I don't think it's 0% better, either. So what if it fell somewhere in between?

To be blunt, I'm not certain I agree with Aura either (sorry Aura! D: ) But to clarify, it's not that I don't agree that a difference exists, because yes, it does exist, it's been pretty consistent, no possible way around that. even you agree it exists, Imagine, as you seem to be saying 'People Won't Notice The Difference,' not 'There Is No Difference.' However, I don't like making all-encompassing statements to define a viewpoint as being 'Objectively Totally Correct To Everyone,' which is something I'm concerned happens a bit too much in these resolution debates.

I'd imagine there's those who really can't see much of a difference- Jesus, variations in eyesight sharpness alone could accomplish that- and others who will immediately, almost painfully, see a difference, especially those who are a little more savvy on what to look for. Ever have an experience where you don't notice a particular visual quirk- like in Fight Club, with the foreshadowing single-frame Brad Pitt appearances- but once it's pointed out to you, you can't NOT see it? (Feel free to provide other examples, anyone.) I, for one, forever rue the day I heard how to keep an eye open for screen tearing. It's EVERYWHERE. T_T

I don't think that absolutely everyone is going to see a difference, and by extension I don't believe that those who say they can't see a difference, such as yourself Imaginedvl, is lying. You no doubt can't. I'm sure plenty other can't. Maybe I wouldn't.

But by that same token, I don't believe that nobody could possibly see a difference, and anyone who says they do, such as Aura, is automatically lying. =P Aura no doubt can. Maybe I would.

By saying that 99 percent of people would find the experience equivalent, it's basically insisting that there's no real, objective difference at all, and we've already established that there is. Everything after that dissolves into the porridge of subjective measurement, the 'Do I SEE A Difference' factor, and you know you- neither of you- can make a sweeping statement on what the majority perceives. All we can say is you don't see a difference, Aura sees a difference, and I game on an SD television like a caveman so I can't even participate in that particular aspect of the debate. D:

TL;DR: Who can, or cannot, see performance difference in terms of resolution is a big, old mess of subjectivity, and neither of you can say the majority of gamers can/cannot see it. Chances are, plenty of gamers can, and plenty of gamers cannot, as perception is a tricky thing. However, as things currently stand, the PS4 DOES have a performance advantage, and the PS4 IS selling notably better than the Xbox One, including in the one market that the Xbox brand held a stranglehold last generation. The question becomes, to what extent, if any, is one leading to the other? Are any of the consumers who have decided to buy a PS4 thus far in the generation doing so, if not outright because of the perceived power difference, at least with it as a contributing factor?

Pointing out at your mistakes is not disrespectul in any manner. Zanten asked to post links proving the fact that the experience is equivalent despite resolution and framerate differences. You did not and instead repeated the same opinions. People can perceive differences in resolutions and it doesn't take looking at the screen one inch away to see it (http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/720p-vs-1080p-can-you-tell-the-difference-between-hdtv-resolutions/ ). Framerate also affects how a person plays a game, too (http://web.cs.wpi.edu/~claypool/papers/fr/fulltext.pdf ). There a some people who don't see the difference, but the majority of people say the opposite.

No, if it was signifincantly better on ps4 reviewers would've noted this for sure. Are you already forgetting last gen where Bayonetta, Orange Box, Skyrim, Fallout and more have points docked on the PS3 version? If reports came out that the xbox one version was significantly worse reviewers would've said something and docked points. The reason why ps4 version of games sell more is because of the playstation brand being more popular and ps4 sold more. Hell, there were multiplat games on ps3 that were worse than the 360 version (bayonetta for example) that sold more on the ps3 than the 360. Just goes to show nobody cares about slightly better graphics or frames per second. Only reason why sony fans are jumping up and down about this is because in terms of gaming (not sales) that's all they have. I can give you more proof if you would like.

The reason why the PS3 versions got docked because they had a bunch of technicality issues to the point that it affected gameplay. Anything below 30 fps is a huge "no-no" as well as conspicuous jaggies. This is a stark contrast to X1 vs. PS4 argument, here. While the X1 versions are within "playable" standards, the PS4 versions just run significantly better. Either they look much better or they run smoother. Sometimes, the difference goes beyond that. In COD: Ghosts, for example, the color pallette in the X1 version was horrendous. While the water was blue in the PS4 version, the water was green on the X1. In Battlefield 4, not only did the PS4 have higher resolution, but it had ambient occlusion while the X1 version did not have it. In Metal Gear Solid 5: Ground Zeroes, not only did the PS4 have over twice the pixel density, it also had better weather effects and lighting.

So while the X1 multiplats play within acceptable standards, there's a much better versions of the same games on the PS4 and why would people purposely deprive themselves of that luxury?

People must understand that Xbox position is NOT okay. They want #1st place on console sales, so having half the units of sales it obviously pretty bad.

First I like to say I am laughing at the fact you're ignoring the Bayonetta arguement because all of the talk about how people buy ps4 games more because of slightly better graphics is pretty much destoryed. And again if revewers see that the ps4 version is way better they would've rate higher. They would think the xbox one verson was gimped. That is why all the games I've list on the ps3 version was docked points. Also, the whole "rob yourself out of luxery" is pretty pointless because what about PC gaming? PC offers way better graphics, fps ,customization and more. If you really want the "superior multiplat game" than it's obvious you would get the pc version. But guess what, almost nobody in the real world cares about slighly better graphics between ps4/ xbox one. Almost nobody cares about superior multiplatform titles because if they do games like Bayonetta on the xbox 360 would've sold more and pc gaming would be more popular. The fact is most consumers just look at the game and think it is the same. Sony gets a way with a lot in the console world because of their brand name alone. Besides I rather invest my money on a console with great exclusives, great online infastructure that doesn't get hack or doesn't go offline all the time and knowing the company behind it won't go bankrupt anytime soon.