Xbox One Doing Very Well Despite the Naysayers.

[Zanten]

Imaginedvl said:

Zanten said:

Imaginedvl said:

I never denied your maths. I said that it makes no sense to use that resolution/fps difference to compare the whole game experience on both platform is ridiculous... So stop bullshiting with your "literally the fastest you've seen to forgot" etc...

As far as your exhibit (do you find yourself funny there?), just read the sentence again :) Maybe it is late and you are sleepy but I said that basically 99% of people find the experience equivalent. Not sure how you turned this sentence into a "majority find the PS4 multiplats significantly better". 

So.... where did you base that conclusion from?

I mean, you said it's ridiculous to compare the end user experience using math, which okay, fair enough. But then you go off and not only compare the end user experience based off your personal interpretation, without so much as any objective, measurable numbers or figures. Which is fine, if you're only talking about your personal interpretation, your belief, with no claims on how others would, or should, react. But then you insist that 99% of people totally agree with your interpretation, by finding the experience equivalent, meaning you're changing it from 'This Is My Opinion' to 'This Is Objective Fact.'

Soooo I'm assuming you have some facts to back up the fact? :3 Even something really nebulous, like a poll, a survey, some sort of study insisting that not only is the experience considered equivalent to a group of individuals- which I would agree with, because let's face it, the same can be said for all sides of the debate, meaning there's a group that thinks it's equivalent, a group that thinks it isn't, a group that randomly announced they like ducks, etc,- but that the VAST majority of people fall on one side of the debate or the other? We'll even be generous, and say 90 percent, instead of your provided 99 percent.

Perhaps you provided study links earlier in the thread, if so, would be much obliged if you could repost them. :3

On reviews for instance? If the game is 225% better (you know gameplay wise, expericence etc...) why don't we see games at 5/10 on Xbox One and
10/10 on PS4 if the experience is so much better?

Big reply coming. xP Feel free to skip to the TL:DR section if your eyes cross, but if you make a reply that misses something I covered in the full post, Imma wrath ya. x3

See, the issue is you're holding up the statement that the PS4 version is viewed as 225% better, versus it being identical. That's a massive gap, and for that matter we both know that reviews aren't exclusively based on the number of pixels that get pushed. =P So no, it wouldn't cause a 2:1 review score difference, that I agree with... but the assessment that virtually all consumers will find the experience equivalent sounds like you're saying 'That 225% resolution advantage is pretty much equivalent, in terms of effect, to a 0% resolution advantage,' which are pretty strong words in and of themselves. There's also a notable difference between being an existing console owner- having an Xbox One already, for example, in which case, resolution isn't likely to matter one whit, because you've already got your console, in much the same way the PS3 version performance differences didn't matter quite so much to existing PS3 owners- and being a prospective buyer, weighing the options, deciding which side to jump on.

So no, I don't believe that a PS4 version is 225% better. But with that kind of performance gap, I don't think it's 0% better, either. So what if it fell somewhere in between?

To be blunt, I'm not certain I agree with Aura either (sorry Aura! D: ) But to clarify, it's not that I don't agree that a difference exists, because yes, it does exist, it's been pretty consistent, no possible way around that. even you agree it exists, Imagine, as you seem to be saying 'People Won't Notice The Difference,' not 'There Is No Difference.' However, I don't like making all-encompassing statements to define a viewpoint as being 'Objectively Totally Correct To Everyone,' which is something I'm concerned happens a bit too much in these resolution debates.

I'd imagine there's those who really can't see much of a difference- Jesus, variations in eyesight sharpness alone could accomplish that- and others who will immediately, almost painfully, see a difference, especially those who are a little more savvy on what to look for. Ever have an experience where you don't notice a particular visual quirk- like in Fight Club, with the foreshadowing single-frame Brad Pitt appearances- but once it's pointed out to you, you can't NOT see it? (Feel free to provide other examples, anyone.) I, for one, forever rue the day I heard how to keep an eye open for screen tearing. It's EVERYWHERE. T_T

I don't think that absolutely everyone is going to see a difference, and by extension I don't believe that those who say they can't see a difference, such as yourself Imaginedvl, is lying. You no doubt can't. I'm sure plenty other can't. Maybe I wouldn't.

But by that same token, I don't believe that nobody could possibly see a difference, and anyone who says they do, such as Aura, is automatically lying. =P Aura no doubt can. Maybe I would.

By saying that 99 percent of people would find the experience equivalent, it's basically insisting that there's no real, objective difference at all, and we've already established that there is. Everything after that dissolves into the porridge of subjective measurement, the 'Do I SEE A Difference' factor, and you know you- neither of you- can make a sweeping statement on what the majority perceives. All we can say is you don't see a difference, Aura sees a difference, and I game on an SD television like a caveman so I can't even participate in that particular aspect of the debate. D:

 

TL;DR: Who can, or cannot, see performance difference in terms of resolution is a big, old mess of subjectivity, and neither of you can say the majority of gamers can/cannot see it. Chances are, plenty of gamers can, and plenty of gamers cannot, as perception is a tricky thing. However, as things currently stand, the PS4 DOES have a performance advantage, and the PS4 IS selling notably better than the Xbox One, including in the one market that the Xbox brand held a stranglehold last generation. The question becomes, to what extent, if any, is one leading to the other? Are any of the consumers who have decided to buy a PS4 thus far in the generation doing so, if not outright because of the perceived power difference, at least with it as a contributing factor?