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Forums - Politics Discussion - Scotland: NO to Independence. 55.3% NO, 44.7% YES. Salmond resigns, woo hoo!

Pyro as Bill on 20 September 2014
kowenicki said:
trashleg said:
kowenicki said:
the2real4mafol said:
 

when i posted as i far as i knew, he said he wouldn't resign but instead finish as term of office. He must of changed his mind. 

Also why good riddance?! He was far better than any of the twats who are supposed to represent England. At least he tried to keep to his word

I just really hope people make westminster keep to their word about federalisation. Politicians are just wankers for trying to shaft people already  


Well thats your opinion. I think Salmond was a twat. An intellectual lightweight with a far too left agenda.


...whose party was elected into Holyrood in 2007 with a landslide victory. Who spent his entire political career pushing for an agenda for those who supported him, which he delivered to them on Thursday. Job done, he did what he promised. Gave Scotland the choice.

...and lost. 

 

 

He's got devo-super max.

How devo-super max is different to independence, I'm not quite sure.

It's like independence except you can keep the pound and run up the tab and England will bail you out........like independent Ireland.



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Pyro as Bill on 20 September 2014
spurgeonryan said:
So now what? Business as usual?


Not in the slightest. This is where the fun starts.

Conservatives want England (the country) to have the same powers as Scotland.

Labour want power devolved to the cities. Labour are stronger in the cities than they are on the national (English) level.

Scotland has accidentally lit a torch under England's arse.

How independent can a group of people decide to be? City, Region, State, Nation? Borough, Street, House, Individual?

Can't wait.



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Pyro as Bill on 20 September 2014

Have to laugh at the feeble attempt to have an English only parliament.

"It will only sit for 2 days of the week"

No you clowns!!!! It will sit for at least 4/5. Probably much much more.

Poor Tory's always trying their best to bring Labour's silly dreams back to reality.



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trashleg on 21 September 2014
kowenicki said:
trashleg said:


...whose party was elected into Holyrood in 2007 with a landslide victory. Who spent his entire political career pushing for an agenda for those who supported him, which he delivered to them on Thursday. Job done, he did what he promised. Gave Scotland the choice.

...and lost. 


Depends on perspective. He, personally, wanted independence. But it wasn't just about him. He promised the referendum, but put it in the hands of the people of Scotland to make the decision for themselves. 

Better together might have won the referendum, but YES Scotland sure won the campaign. 45%, thats not as small a percentage as it was even 6 months ago. I'm telling you, it'll come up again. 



Highwaystar101 said: trashleg said that if I didn't pay back the money she leant me, she would come round and break my legs... That's why people call her trashleg, because she trashes the legs of the people she loan sharks money to.
Scoobes on 21 September 2014
trashleg said:
kowenicki said:
trashleg said:


...whose party was elected into Holyrood in 2007 with a landslide victory. Who spent his entire political career pushing for an agenda for those who supported him, which he delivered to them on Thursday. Job done, he did what he promised. Gave Scotland the choice.

...and lost. 


Depends on perspective. He, personally, wanted independence. But it wasn't just about him. He promised the referendum, but put it in the hands of the people of Scotland to make the decision for themselves. 

Better together might have won the referendum, but YES Scotland sure won the campaign. 45%, thats not as small a percentage as it was even 6 months ago. I'm telling you, it'll come up again. 

Isn't it at least 10 years before another referendum can take place? A lot can change and hopefully UK politics can sort itself out in that time.

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trashleg on 21 September 2014
kowenicki said:

It probably will.   I suppose you think its democratic that due to 1.6m people (2% or so of the populaton) the way the UK should be governed should now go through a big change, shouldnt they ask the other 62m first?   I'm pretty tired of pandering to minority interests to be honest.

I hate Salmond for this and, dont get me wrong, I think the Westminster politicians and are weak for essentially caving in.  I would have allowed the Scots to leave if thats what they wanted.  The No campaign should have been just that... "stay or leave" not a plea with treats and promises to appease people who dont want to be part of the UK.

So now, due to this appeasement, we will have another layer of government all over the UK at huge cost of time and money (yippee) and all it really does is create jobs for the boys... politicians.  We have too much government already, another layer really isnt that interesting or productive.  

That's the point, as 5.3 million collectively, there are issues that Scotland feels quite differently to the rest of the UK on, that we just get swept away with what everybody else votes. 

I for one truly hope this DOES lead to a change in politics nation-wide. I think it's critical for people outside of London to have more ground-level representation. Absolutely. And I'm happy that this referendum and the West Lothian Question are making people demand changes to the way they're governed. The power belongs to the people, and they're waking up to realise just how much they could/should have. 

 

Westminster politics is shite. Archaic, elitist playground as I've said before. 



Highwaystar101 said: trashleg said that if I didn't pay back the money she leant me, she would come round and break my legs... That's why people call her trashleg, because she trashes the legs of the people she loan sharks money to.
Nayl on 21 September 2014
kowenicki said:
trashleg said:
kowenicki said:

It probably will.   I suppose you think its democratic that due to 1.6m people (2% or so of the populaton) the way the UK should be governed should now go through a big change, shouldnt they ask the other 62m first?   I'm pretty tired of pandering to minority interests to be honest.

I hate Salmond for this and, dont get me wrong, I think the Westminster politicians and are weak for essentially caving in.  I would have allowed the Scots to leave if thats what they wanted.  The No campaign should have been just that... "stay or leave" not a plea with treats and promises to appease people who dont want to be part of the UK.

So now, due to this appeasement, we will have another layer of government all over the UK at huge cost of time and money (yippee) and all it really does is create jobs for the boys... politicians.  We have too much government already, another layer really isnt that interesting or productive.  

That's the point, as 5.3 million collectively, there are issues that Scotland feels quite differently to the rest of the UK on, that we just get swept away with what everybody else votes. 

I for one truly hope this DOES lead to a change in politics nation-wide. I think it's critical for people outside of London to have more ground-level representation. Absolutely. And I'm happy that this referendum and the West Lothian Question are making people demand changes to the way they're governed. The power belongs to the people, and they're waking up to realise just how much they could/should have. 

 

Westminster politics is shite. Archaic, elitist playground as I've said before. 

No, there really isnt.  I simply don't accept that.

Accept it or not it's a fact and the evidence is out there. EU membership is just one off the top of my head, it has much higher support in Scotland than in England.

P.S. yes I registered just to say that. I'm going back to trolling GameFAQs now. Goodbye.



Vikki on 21 September 2014
kowenicki said:
trashleg said:
kowenicki said:

It probably will.   I suppose you think its democratic that due to 1.6m people (2% or so of the populaton) the way the UK should be governed should now go through a big change, shouldnt they ask the other 62m first?   I'm pretty tired of pandering to minority interests to be honest.

I hate Salmond for this and, dont get me wrong, I think the Westminster politicians and are weak for essentially caving in.  I would have allowed the Scots to leave if thats what they wanted.  The No campaign should have been just that... "stay or leave" not a plea with treats and promises to appease people who dont want to be part of the UK.

So now, due to this appeasement, we will have another layer of government all over the UK at huge cost of time and money (yippee) and all it really does is create jobs for the boys... politicians.  We have too much government already, another layer really isnt that interesting or productive.  

That's the point, as 5.3 million collectively, there are issues that Scotland feels quite differently to the rest of the UK on, that we just get swept away with what everybody else votes. 

I for one truly hope this DOES lead to a change in politics nation-wide. I think it's critical for people outside of London to have more ground-level representation. Absolutely. And I'm happy that this referendum and the West Lothian Question are making people demand changes to the way they're governed. The power belongs to the people, and they're waking up to realise just how much they could/should have. 

 

Westminster politics is shite. Archaic, elitist playground as I've said before. 

No, there really isnt.  I simply don't accept that.

A majority of England voted Tory in 2010. Scotland only voted in 1 Tory constituency out of 59 in 2010. Is that not enough evidence that we have different opinions to the rest of the UK? Infact, without Scottish influence, the Tories would have had a majority in 2010. Even the Scottish Tories themselves are far more liberal than those right wing maniacs you have down in Westminster. 

There are clear differences in the way Scottish people vote to those in England.



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trashleg on 21 September 2014
Vikki said:
kowenicki said:
trashleg said:

That's the point, as 5.3 million collectively, there are issues that Scotland feels quite differently to the rest of the UK on, that we just get swept away with what everybody else votes. 

No, there really isnt.  I simply don't accept that.

A majority of England voted Tory in 2010. Scotland only voted in 1 Tory constituency out of 59 in 2010. Is that not enough evidence that we have different opinions to the rest of the UK? Infact, without Scottish influence, the Tories would have had a majority in 2010. Even the Scottish Tories themselves are far more liberal than those right wing maniacs you have down in Westminster. 

There are clear differences in the way Scottish people vote to those in England.

This. 

There's a reason SNP won on a clear majority in 2011. Westminster simply wasn't representing the electorate.



Highwaystar101 said: trashleg said that if I didn't pay back the money she leant me, she would come round and break my legs... That's why people call her trashleg, because she trashes the legs of the people she loan sharks money to.
Vikki on 21 September 2014
trashleg said:
Vikki said:
kowenicki said:
trashleg said:

That's the point, as 5.3 million collectively, there are issues that Scotland feels quite differently to the rest of the UK on, that we just get swept away with what everybody else votes. 

No, there really isnt.  I simply don't accept that.

A majority of England voted Tory in 2010. Scotland only voted in 1 Tory constituency out of 59 in 2010. Is that not enough evidence that we have different opinions to the rest of the UK? Infact, without Scottish influence, the Tories would have had a majority in 2010. Even the Scottish Tories themselves are far more liberal than those right wing maniacs you have down in Westminster. 

There are clear differences in the way Scottish people vote to those in England.

This. 

There's a reason SNP won on a clear majority in 2011. Westminster simply wasn't representing the electorate.

Exactly! I'm by no means an SNP fan, I find myself more in line with the Greens or the SSP, but the SNP won a clear majority in 2011 because they care about Scotland more than any of the five main parties in Scotland at the moment, they're more in line with the more liberally minded working class population that Scotland has.



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