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No, we are done 24 25.53%
 
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As long as there is oil to fight over, yes 26 27.66%
 
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DolPhanTendo on 28 June 2014
hated_individual said:
Only thing USA gained from war in Iraq was really just body bangs and extremeists on their ass...

They pissed off 1/3 of the world... Now I am wajoysr them to invade Canada and hopefully EU involves because I would not be surprised if they invade Canada, conquer it and then aim at EU. USA became what Germany was under hitler, one opinion, one ideology, one system, cherry picking, fraud, smoke screen and sugar coating till you die and in the end it could end up Russia, anarchy, no rule, corruption everywhere and citizens rights ignored which is already happening in USA as couple of my american friends that live in my country told me...

What cops do in USA is a big no no in Europe, cops doing that would end up at 5 to 10 years in jail if they did all of those things in Europe

Invade Canada?!?! Why in hell would we invade Canada?!?! For that great ice they have. 88 percent Canadians live within 200 miles of our borders. Criat please put down your joystick for an hour and go outside, then read something other then graphic novels. 



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Marks on 28 June 2014

If it's not Iraq, it will be somewhere else.

Maybe they'll fake another terrorist attack so they can invade some other country, and take away more rights back home in the name of national security...i.e. Patriot Act, TSA, NSA, etc.



mornelithe on 28 June 2014
burning_phoneix said:
mornelithe said:

Iraq war or not, there are some who've always intended on recreating an expansive Islamic Caliphate in that region.  Whether the US does or doesn't go back to War, this is going to be something Iraq/Syria and the surrounding countries are going to have to do something about, eventually, or borders will disappear and a new oppressive sharia regime will take over.

I'm not entirely sure the US going back is going to do anything, unless the surrounding countries are 100% onboard, and involved. This will take a concerted effort by Arab Nations (with or without exterior support), to put an end to. Otherwise, it'll just be sold as US versus Islam again.


You greatly overestimate the strength of the Caliphate-mongers.

Yeah, ISIS hasn't gotten anything done in a miraculously short amount of time.  You underestimate the force of will they're willing to exhibit to do what they believe is correct, and rightfully their land. 

You mean the Prime Minister? Nouri Al Maliki? He's lost support from even his own Shia allies and no one in the government likes him. He's the one that demanded US troops leave and signed the troop withdrawal agreement. His entire reign has been catergorized by sectarian politics and score settling which eventually led to the Sunnis revolting and starting this whole mess in the first place. He strongarmed all the other Shia parties and now they see a chance to break from his hold. He made his bed. He can lie in it.

Maliki's approval rating is irrelevant, at present.  I was merely pointing out that Iraq has asked for our help in this regard.  Whether we actually do anything serious, is up to our elected officials.



burning_phoneix on 28 June 2014
mornelithe said:

Yeah, ISIS hasn't gotten anything done in a miraculously short amount of time.  You underestimate the force of will they're willing to exhibit to do what they believe is correct, and rightfully their land. 

 


It's because you assume that ISIL works alone or has a massive army. The violence in Northern Iraq is not ISIL alone, but an alliance of various Sunni forces such as former Ba'athists with ISIL taking the lead.

It points to Iraq's weakness rather than ISIL's strength. The attack on Mosul involved 1500 ISIL fighters against 30'000 Iraqi soldiers and ISIL won? It just shows how weak the opposition to ISIS is. In addition, they've been beaten back by the Kurds in the North and they don't have the manpower to push south in Shia majority areas.

Syria has them at odds with both the Assad Regime and other rebels, Jordan has a strong professional army to the west and is unlikely to fall. Saudi Arabia and the other gulf states hate ISIL more than they hate Maliki and will probably offer support of some kind.

There will be no Caliphate, ISIL doesn't have the strength to do it.



mornelithe on 28 June 2014
burning_phoneix said:
mornelithe said:
 

Yeah, ISIS hasn't gotten anything done in a miraculously short amount of time.  You underestimate the force of will they're willing to exhibit to do what they believe is correct, and rightfully their land. 

 

 


It's because you assume that ISIL works alone or has a massive army. The violence in Northern Iraq is not ISIL alone, but an alliance of various Sunni forces such as former Ba'athists with ISIL taking the lead.

It points to Iraq's weakness rather than ISIL's strength. The attack on Mosul involved 1500 ISIL fighters against 30'000 Iraqi soldiers and ISIL won? It just shows how weak the opposition to ISIS is. In addition, they've been beaten back by the Kurds in the North and they don't have the manpower to push south in Shia majority areas.

Syria has them at odds with both the Assad Regime and other rebels, Jordan has a strong professional army to the west and is unlikely to fall. Saudi Arabia and the other gulf states hate ISIL more than they hate Maliki and will probably offer support of some kind.

There will be no Caliphate, ISIL doesn't have the strength to do it.

I said nothing of the sort, don't try to put words in my mouth that didn't come out of it.  If you're confused as to what I said, feel free to go back and re-read it.



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burning_phoneix on 28 June 2014
mornelithe said:
burning_phoneix said:
mornelithe said:
 

Yeah, ISIS hasn't gotten anything done in a miraculously short amount of time.  You underestimate the force of will they're willing to exhibit to do what they believe is correct, and rightfully their land. 

 

 


It's because you assume that ISIL works alone or has a massive army. The violence in Northern Iraq is not ISIL alone, but an alliance of various Sunni forces such as former Ba'athists with ISIL taking the lead.

It points to Iraq's weakness rather than ISIL's strength. The attack on Mosul involved 1500 ISIL fighters against 30'000 Iraqi soldiers and ISIL won? It just shows how weak the opposition to ISIS is. In addition, they've been beaten back by the Kurds in the North and they don't have the manpower to push south in Shia majority areas.

Syria has them at odds with both the Assad Regime and other rebels, Jordan has a strong professional army to the west and is unlikely to fall. Saudi Arabia and the other gulf states hate ISIL more than they hate Maliki and will probably offer support of some kind.

There will be no Caliphate, ISIL doesn't have the strength to do it.

I said nothing of the sort, don't try to put words in my mouth that didn't come out of it.  If you're confused as to what I said, feel free to go back and re-read it.


You're the one who brought up ISIL, not me. I referred to all the Sunni exteremist groups and that you overestimated their strength and claimed that unless the region did something "a new sharia regime will take over".

You bought brought ISIS SPECIFICALLY and claimed they did a lot in a miraclously short period of time and talked about the group exclusively. I therefore took that you meant ISIS, the group you mentioned exclusively, did these things alone and actually has a chance to assert dominace over the region.

If I made a mistake about your intentions, please elaborate on them because with only two sentences, I need to assume a lot of things to debate.



the2real4mafol on 01 July 2014

I think the US might go over (well Hillary Clinton does anyway!) but it will be alone this time. And to be honest the west must leave shit alone before things get ever more complicated and fucked up.

Iraq always was a fake nation. Iraqi is not a nationality. Both in 1916 under the Sykes-Picot Agreement between the British and French Empires which split up the Ottoman territories in the middle east, the locals of all kinds were never consulted over this. They are just Kurds and Arabs and clearly don't like each other. For once we should leave shit alone and let them decide their own destiny. ISIS are pretty scary though, i wish they had an alternative



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SirFortesque on 01 July 2014

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binary solo on 01 July 2014

Not boots on the ground. The USA can't afford it. An air campaign perhaps.

It was a stupid, misguided, ill begotten war they started back in 2003, and I mostly blame Tony Blair for it. Thesmug, unrepentant, arrogant prick who thinks he fulfilled some sort of holy mission. GWB was a puppet. Tony Blair didn't hold the strings, but he had a pair of scissors and could have cut those strings. Instead he decided to play.



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ikki5 on 01 July 2014

Yes, Obama is an idiot and he is still in office for another year and a half. You are already sending troops over now to protect an embassy, it is only a matter of time before more are needed.