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Not this shit again.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=141556
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=174769

Mods can you please lock this thread and ban him for the alt? Thanks



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One more thing, the oldest DNA sequenced so far is 500,000 years old. The eaeliest life started 3,700,000,000 years ago.
http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/5052/20131123/oldest-dna-sequenced-done-breakthrough-technology.htm
It's not unreasonable to think DNA has grown into the complex structure it is today over that kind of time period.



HigHurtenflurst said:
Turkish said:
I just dont understand why apes didnt evolve

They did. Apes and humans have evolved by exactly the same amount since whenever their common ancestors were around.


but why dont they look like us if we originally looked the same



Turkish said:
HigHurtenflurst said:
Turkish said:
I just dont understand why apes didnt evolve

They did. Apes and humans have evolved by exactly the same amount since whenever their common ancestors were around.

but why dont they look like us if we originally looked the same

Evolution is not a progression towards humanity, if you go back far enough every living thing on Earth "looked the same". The process of evolution leads to complexity and diversity.

What you seem to be thinking is that humans are the "most evolved" lifeform on the planet... we are not, I can think of three ways of looking at it:
One way is that all current species are equally evolved because they have spent an equal amount of time evolving since their common ancestor. (or at least all complex life... some forms of life, particularly some simple life like prokaryotes may have evolved entirely seperately)
A second way is that a more evolved species has simply spent more time as that species... ie if it were possible to send an individual back in time, how far back could it go before reproduction with it's ancestors became impossible (I don't think this way makes much sense, particularly as it is ignores things like asexual reproduction).
A third way is that the most evolved form is that which has changed the most often, which is kind of the opposite of the above in a way.

Arguably the "winner" or most evolved form for the second & third ways would be something prokaryotic like bacteria. I think the first way makes most sense though because evolution is a continuous process, every current species is equally evolved.



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HigHurtenflurst said:
Turkish said:
HigHurtenflurst said:
Turkish said:
I just dont understand why apes didnt evolve

They did. Apes and humans have evolved by exactly the same amount since whenever their common ancestors were around.

but why dont they look like us if we originally looked the same

Evolution is not a progression towards humanity, if you go back far enough every living thing on Earth "looked the same". The process of evolution leads to complexity and diversity.

What you seem to be thinking is that humans are the "most evolved" lifeform on the planet... we are not, I can think of three ways of looking at it:
One way is that all current species are equally evolved because they have spent an equal amount of time evolving since their common ancestor. (or at least all complex life... some forms of life, particularly some simple life like prokaryotes may have evolved entirely seperately)
A second way is that a more evolved species has simply spent more time as that species... ie if it were possible to send an individual back in time, how far back could it go before reproduction with it's ancestors became impossible (I don't think this way makes much sense, particularly as it is ignores things like asexual reproduction).
A third way is that the most evolved form is that which has changed the most often, which is kind of the opposite of the above in a way.

Arguably the "winner" or most evolved form for the second & third ways would be something prokaryotic like bacteria. I think the first way makes most sense though because evolution is a continuous process, every current species is equally evolved.


Well, there are so many different kind of apes, and if one kind, the humans evolved to look like us, why did the gorilla, chimpanzee and every other race still look the same? Why did only the human grow so different? They both grew up in similar natural conditions, it also baffles me how the human is the only live form that grew intelligent, and while the other live forms of the earth are not intelligent, they know exactly how to survive(birds building nests without prior knowledge, apes using plants to heal themselves, animal babies able to walk etc), the human baby is not able to do that.



Is there any empirical evidence that life did not evolve?



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I guess this is what you call "to see is to believe" argument.

You may point whatever data you want but in the end no one ever saw with his own two eyes how things evolved from then to now. Its like asking a religious person, have you seen God.

At least this is what I understand what the OP is trying to do.



spurgeonryan said:
vivster said:
Not this shit again.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=141556
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=174769

Mods can you please lock this thread and ban him for the alt? Thanks


This is what he believes. Why try to shut him up?

Because being hard headed and trying to make a valid point while blocking out any discussion under the guise of the scientific method pisses me off.

He is spitting in the face of everything that is called scientific debate. There is a difference between stating what you believe in and having an agenda. He knows very well that there is no empirical data for evolution because it is impossible. Exactly how impossible it would be to proof anything that is by definition unattainable for humans like witnessing the big bang or seeing god.

His points add absolutely nothing to the discussion of evolution. No scientist claims to have proof for evolution, much like no one claims that he can disprove it. Both would be foolish.

He just wants to hear someone say the magical T-word so he can rest his case which never was one.

All I can say is that there is a thing called "evidence" and there is tons for evolution varying in strength. That's why the vast majority of scientists and non-scientists believe it is the truth. Which makes the second sentence of the OP already a blatant lie.

Yes, I would very much shut up every liar who spews his filth in my direction.



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Turkish said:
HigHurtenflurst said:

Evolution is not a progression towards humanity, if you go back far enough every living thing on Earth "looked the same". The process of evolution leads to complexity and diversity.

What you seem to be thinking is that humans are the "most evolved" lifeform on the planet... we are not, I can think of three ways of looking at it:
One way is that all current species are equally evolved because they have spent an equal amount of time evolving since their common ancestor. (or at least all complex life... some forms of life, particularly some simple life like prokaryotes may have evolved entirely seperately)
A second way is that a more evolved species has simply spent more time as that species... ie if it were possible to send an individual back in time, how far back could it go before reproduction with it's ancestors became impossible (I don't think this way makes much sense, particularly as it is ignores things like asexual reproduction).
A third way is that the most evolved form is that which has changed the most often, which is kind of the opposite of the above in a way.

Arguably the "winner" or most evolved form for the second & third ways would be something prokaryotic like bacteria. I think the first way makes most sense though because evolution is a continuous process, every current species is equally evolved.


Well, there are so many different kind of apes, and if one kind, the humans evolved to look like us, why did the gorilla, chimpanzee and every other race still look the same? Why did only the human grow so different? They both grew up in similar natural conditions, it also baffles me how the human is the only live form that grew intelligent, and while the other live forms of the earth are not intelligent, they know exactly how to survive(birds building nests without prior knowledge, apes using plants to heal themselves, animal babies able to walk etc), the human baby is not able to do that.

We weren't the only ones; we're the only ones to have survived. If you look at human evolution there were actually multiple species of humans just like there are multiple species of apes. The difference is, the others went extinct.

Why? The main theory is that our extra brain power required a lot of energy (approx. 2% of a humans total body mass but with approx. 20% energy requirement) and any food shortages would be especially difficult on the intelligent hominin species. Genetic diversity (or rather the lack of it) among modern humans also points to the fact we struggled to survive in the past, and were also near extinction.

As for the other apes, they also look very different to our Great Ape common ancestor.

And human baby development? These links will probably explain it better than me:

http://www.americanscientist.org/bookshelf/pub/the-benefits-of-a-long-childhood

http://www.npr.org/2010/11/15/131332388/growing-slowly-humans-outsmarted-neanderthals

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/advantages-of-helpless/