fatslob-:O said:
Hey, I'm the one calm here! It's not my fault that others refuse to face the facts ... |
Well, I'm just telling you all. We don't want any needless aggression now.
fatslob-:O said:
Hey, I'm the one calm here! It's not my fault that others refuse to face the facts ... |
Well, I'm just telling you all. We don't want any needless aggression now.
Conegamer said:
Well, I'm just telling you all. Any more needless aggression will result in moderation. |
Where exactly is the aggression ? I see no aggression but denial is probably another story ...
fatslob-:O said:
Hey, I'm the one calm here! It's not my fault that others refuse to face the facts ... |
Leaving out the "you don't understand business" comments and backing up your statements with sales numbers would help out a lot.
For example, saying Street Fighter flopped just because it fits your argument doesn't make it true. All versions of SFIV combined sold approximately 7.5 million units. I don't see how that can be considered a flop.
Resident Evil went from 7.5 million for RE4 to 8.3 million for RE5. Yes, it took a big dip to 4.46 million copies with RE6 but it's a bit premature to write off the franchise just yet.
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TruckOSaurus said:
Leaving out the "you don't understand business" comments and backing up your statements with sales numbers would help out a lot. For example, saying Street Fighter flopped just because it fits your argument doesn't make it true. All versions of SFIV sold approximately 7.5 million units. I don't see how that can be considered a flop. Resident Evil went from 7.5 million for RE4 to 8.3 million for RE5. Yes, it took a big dip to 4.46 million copies with RE6 but it's a bit premature to write off the franchise just yet. |
And how about street fighter x tekken ? And I guess you have a point with resident evil but still most of the franchises from capcom flopped so my point still stands ...
fatslob-:O said:
And how about street fighter x tekken ? And I guess you have a point with resident evil but still most of the franchises from capcom flopped so my point still stands ... |
SFxT was a cross over that didn't quite work (the game had issues from what I heard), it's not part of the Street Fighter main franchise. It shouldn't damage the SF franchise since SFIV was wildly considered as excellent.Other crossovers have had better fates like Marvel vs. Capcom 3 for instance.
I agree with you that some Capcom franchises have taken a serious hit (DMC being one of them) but when you start off by labelling all their IPs as worthless and then proceed to attack someone saying differently by saying they don't understand business, you're not exactly inviting good conversation.
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fatslob-:O said:
Again it all depends ... No contradiction here. |
Let me explain then. You said one fuck up will kill a franchise. Final Fantasy has had not one, not two, not three, but at the very least FOUR fuckups. The XIII trilogy and don't forget Final Fantasy XIV, which had to be completely remade shortly after launch for being so bad. Zelda had THREE CD-i monstrosities, and then there's the Four Swords games, which no one really liked and sold TERRIBLE. This means that both Final Fantasy and Zelda have had at least one fuck up, and therefore, according to what you said, they should be dead. Yet in the next statement, you say they're just damaged. That is a contradiction.
Capcom's series are also damaged, but they're not dead either. Take Devil May Cry. The series sold 3 million for the original, 2 million for 2, 4 million for 3, and 3 million for 4. The reboot only sold 1 million. It could be called a fuck up. But that's just damage, it's not death. Now look at Mega Man. His highest selling title is 1.5 million. He was never that big sales wise. Yet he's one of gaming's icons, enough that Nintendo put him in Smash. Each time his series was rebooted sales went up again. After sinking to a quarter million with 7, it shot up to over a million with Mega Man X. Legends also almost got a million. Most of the stuff that's done worse than 7 sales wise were a bunch of portable system ports, and some Gamecube and Xbox games. A reboot could definitely help Mega Man. Just look at Mighty Number 9! I could go on and on with this, but I won't. The series are damaged, not dead.
TruckOSaurus said: SFxT was a cross over that didn't quite work (the game had issues from what I heard), it's not part of the Street Fighter franchise. It shouldn't damage the SF franchise since SFIV was wildly considered as excellent.Other crossovers have had better fates like Marvel vs. Capcom 3 for instance. I agree with you that some Capcom franchises have taken a serious hit (DMC being one of them) but when you start off by labelling all their IPs as worthless and then proceed to attack someone saying differently by saying they don't understand business, you're not exactly inviting good conversation. |
Wait a minute ? I'm attacking someone for saying "they don't understand business" ? The rest of capcoms new IPs have also being nothing but blunder such as remember me or lost planet.
fatslob-:O said:
Mega man flopped. Resident Evil flopped. DMC flopped. Street fighter is flopping too. What makes you think these are valuable franchises if they do nothing but FLOP ? It just shows that you have no understanding of business and you further proved it by denying SALES. |
None of those "flopped." The latest major installments of each have sold millions. Keep lying about sales, though.
HylianSwordsman said:
Let me explain then. You said one fuck up will kill a franchise. Final Fantasy has had not one, not two, not three, but at the very least FOUR fuckups. The XIII trilogy and don't forget Final Fantasy XIV, which had to be completely remade shortly after launch for being so bad. Zelda had THREE CD-i monstrosities, and then there's the Four Swords games, which no one really liked and sold TERRIBLE. This means that both Final Fantasy and Zelda have had at least one fuck up, and therefore, according to what you said, they should be dead. Yet in the next statement, you say they're just damaged. That is a contradiction. Capcom's series are also damaged, but they're not dead either. Take Devil May Cry. The series sold 3 million for the original, 2 million for 2, 4 million for 3, and 3 million for 4. The reboot only sold 1 million. It could be called a fuck up. But that's just damage, it's not death. Now look at Mega Man. His highest selling title is 1.5 million. He was never that big sales wise. Yet he's one of gaming's icons, enough that Nintendo put him in Smash. Each time his series was rebooted sales went up again. After sinking to a quarter million with 7, it shot up to over a million with Mega Man X. Legends also almost got a million. Most of the stuff that's done worse than 7 sales wise were a bunch of portable system ports, and some Gamecube and Xbox games. A reboot could definitely help Mega Man. Just look at Mighty Number 9! I could go on and on with this, but I won't. The series are damaged, not dead. |
If mega man was as good as keiji inafune thought then why did capcom dump him much like how square dumped sakaguchi ?
spemanig said: None of those "flopped." The latest major installments of each have sold millions. Keep lying about sales, though. |
As for megaman that a no and the new DMC barely hit a million so your point is null and you forgot about the rest of capcoms failed IPs such as remember me and lost planet.