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oniyide said:
benji232 said:
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benji232 said:
To everyone saying that a Nintendo smartphone is a great idea, think again. Making a smartphone does not equate automatically to tons of sales (see blackberry). Also, lets be honnest, outside of the hardcore Nintendo fans, who would consider buying a Nintendo phone? I mean, most people who buy smartphones just see games as a bonus. Also, If Nintendo decided to release their own phone, they would have to start selling their games considerably cheaper then they are today.

These are just a few points off the top of my head. I am sorry, but I just cant see how Nintendo would benefit from releasing a smartphone.


focus on handhelds and become a thirdparty or second party, thats the solution for them.

You have been saying this since dinosaurs were extinct and you keep holding this stupid idea, even after everyone saying this is stupid. I'm not defending nintendo nor I'm not a nintendo fanboy, but you really should take a deep read on what is gaming market before saying these things. If you want to play nintendo games, buy a damm nintendo console, that is not hard. And why they should go third party after the huge sucess of the wii/DS?. By your logic, they should've go 3rd party after the Gamecube, and we know what came after the Gamecube...

Some times people refuse to use their brain... that is annoying. Is is not '' blind vision by a fanboy'' it is market logic: financial reserve due to the wii fad.

wii is a fad,  it's not a concept that can keep on selling, nintedno hit the lottery in 2006, but technology has advanced so much thats almost impossible for nintedno to come up with something like that again imo, virtual boy and the gampad, have been huge failure, third party support are done with nintedno consoles, what's nintendo only hope, to come up with a new fad that can sell millions, which is easier said then done, while sony and microsft have every developer working for them that can make the next big game to sell 10-20 million consoles

They failed so hard with WIIU that they sould feel ashamed for themselves. Thats what you get for not putting investment in advertisement and publicity. But the market ( the whole, not the gaming itself) is unstable, we can predicate somethings, but others with no rational arguments is stupidity. They are back to the normal ages. Following the steps of N64. GC, it is nintendo being ignorant and refusing to invest in third party+ strong console, it was always that. But these facots are not going to sink nintendo so hard that they will stop and say: Ok lets become 3rd party. They are software winners, not hardwares. As long they keep releasing games with quality that sells good and keep the HW on '''''' normal'''''' numbers ( for them) they wont take that suicidal step.

Really can't understand why you keep defending the idea of Ninty 3rd party. It would be the end of almost half good titles we know. As a guy who grew with these titles, and discovered the awesome from sony with their playstation, I can assume that true gamers would hate hard an epic Zelda game turning in a EA game level... because sorry my friends ... thats how 3rd parties work... they dont care for quality ( not all, just most of them)... they care for sucking all the money from you... sniff sniff.. capcom..

the last paragraph is one big assumption, thats not what happened to Sega

yup its hilarious how nintendo fans would rather have a tablet or phone as nintedno next console instead of making games for a beast of a console called the ps4.

i just havent heard a compelling argument why not? its just if they go 3rd party games would suck? but that makes no sense as Sony and MS machines are more capable than ninty's of late so they could do the usual and then some.

Actually, there are tons of arguments as to why it doesn't make much sens to go third party. One of them (and I believe that this was pointed out earlier in this thread) is that 65% of ALL Nintendo revenue is from selling hardware. Granted, as of NOW, it's not an ideal situation with the current wiiU sales. However, saying that going third party is a better option then manufacturing it's own hardware only means that you're assuming that they won't ever see high sales again which, this way of thinking, is flawed.


How is it flawed? im using present numbers and data. you're assumiing they will see high sales again and i havent seen or heard anything that makes me believe that.

You've seen it merely a couple years ago: Wii and DS.



Predictions for LT console sales:

PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M

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pezus said:
benji232 said:
pezus said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
chris_wing said:

There is that illogical emotional reaction again, sigh.  Anyways, reported.

And yet you report me... Interesting... The reason why I don't think Nintendo should go third party is that they need their Hardware to make Nintendo Quality games... Just look at Sega, one of the main reasons that they don't make good games anymore is cause they don't have their own hardware to work with that goes with their own specifications... They have to deal with whatever the other console manufactures have and have to learn new code and how to work with the OS

That is way off the mark. Nintendo doesn't make good hardware, plain and simple. By that I mean the developing environment could be a LOT better and the power should be greater. Nintendo's devs would only benefit from being able to use less limiting hardware like Sony's.

Quite frankly, your post is biased, useless and really insulting. "Nintendo doesn't make good hardware" Ok, you think so? Good for you. That doesn't mean that the other millions of people who buy their hardware don't like it. I for one, prefer a lot more the OS in my wiiU compared to the one in the PS3. Also, I prefer their controllers 20 times more then playstation controllers, and just a bit more then xbox. 

I believe Sony and Microsoft should go third party on Nintendo system, they would benefit from the better hardware and controller.

See, it's easy being biased.

OS has nothing to do with the hardware.

By hardware I obviously meant consoles - power, ease of developing and the like. 

MS and Sony would be going backwards...

Fair enough, but then Nintendo wouldn't benefit from going 3rd party because they wouldn't have their own OS and controller to make their games unique like they are today. See miiverse and the gamepad (although the gamepad hasn't been used much since launch, I am sure they will make the next Zelda game and other games round the idea of the gamepad).

EDIT: Also, saying that they don't make good hardware is a sack of bs. They CHOOSE to make underpowered hardware. However, they could easily make consoles as powerful as the ones of MS and Sony (See gamecube).



Predictions for LT console sales:

PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M

benji232 said:

Fair enough, but then Nintendo wouldn't benefit from going 3rd party because they wouldn't have their own OS and controller to make their games unique like they are today. See miiverse and the gamepad (although the gamepad hasn't been used much since launch, I am sure they will make the next Zelda game and other games round the idea of the gamepad).

EDIT: Also, saying that they don't make good hardware is a sack of bs. They CHOOSE to make underpowered hardware. However, they could easily make consoles as powerful as the ones of MS and Sony (See gamecube).


Their own OS or controller is irrelevent.  They are a game company they would easily adapt unless they are incompetent chumps.

Theres little unique about wiiu games.  Pad is near pointless, they wanted to create a new fad and saw tablet sales and thus came this giant moronic controller.  It has added nothing to my gaming on the wiiu, it actually hampers it.  They make weak hardware cause its cheap, they chose to give you a inferior product so they can make more money of you.

You all need to stop being delusional and apolagetic for their screwups and shortcomings and give up some weird emotional attachemnt and think for a second just posibly great 3rd party might be for ninty.  

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BeElite said:
benji232 said:

Fair enough, but then Nintendo wouldn't benefit from going 3rd party because they wouldn't have their own OS and controller to make their games unique like they are today. See miiverse and the gamepad (although the gamepad hasn't been used much since launch, I am sure they will make the next Zelda game and other games round the idea of the gamepad).

EDIT: Also, saying that they don't make good hardware is a sack of bs. They CHOOSE to make underpowered hardware. However, they could easily make consoles as powerful as the ones of MS and Sony (See gamecube).


1)Their own OS or controller is irrelevent.  They are a game company they would easily adapt unless they are incompetent chumps.

Theres little unique about wiiu games.  Pad is near pointless, 2)they wanted to create a new fad and saw tablet sales and thus came this giant moronic controller.  3)It has added nothing to my gaming on the wiiu, it actually hampers it. 4) They make weak hardware cause its cheap, they chose to give you a inferior product so they can make more money of you.

5)You all need to stop being delusional and apolagetic for their screwups and shortcomings and give up some weird emotional attachemnt and think for a second just posibly great 3rd party might be for ninty.  

So much wrong in this post. Where to start. 

1) Oh yea? So wii sports, wii sports resort, Nintendoland, Skywardsword, Mario kart wii, Wii party/wii party U, and I could go on forever. Also, have you ever heard miiverse? 

2) Good job pulling shit out of your ass. They specifically said a few years ago that they began wiiU developpement BEFORE tablets had even begun being so popular.

3) Sorry to hear that for you, what's your miiverse username?

4) Again, pulling shit out of your ass. You seem to like doing that don't you? Looking at most of your posts on this forum. They're selling the system at a lost, that's some big profits that they are raking in from that so called "overpriced" console.

5) You just need to stop arguing without presenting any facts. Thank goodness that you're not in charge of any gaming company as big as Nintendo, because i'll tell you that much, they would be going down the shitter if you were in charge of them. I bet you didn't know that 65% of all of their revenues comes from selling hardware didn't you? Oh right! Your logic would mean that they would sell 5-10times more software on Xbox/PS to replace their lost revenues! That's brillant! So instead of selling 8-10M mario kart copies, you think they'd sell 50M! 

Indeed, calling people blind when you are encouraging them to do something even worse. If there is one person blind in this thread, it's definetly you. Present me some factual data other then "their hardware is shitz, controller is shitz" and then we can talk. 

Their current situation is not good with wiiU, however, the solution is most definetly not going third party. 



Predictions for LT console sales:

PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M

benji232 said:
BeElite said:
benji232 said:

Fair enough, but then Nintendo wouldn't benefit from going 3rd party because they wouldn't have their own OS and controller to make their games unique like they are today. See miiverse and the gamepad (although the gamepad hasn't been used much since launch, I am sure they will make the next Zelda game and other games round the idea of the gamepad).

EDIT: Also, saying that they don't make good hardware is a sack of bs. They CHOOSE to make underpowered hardware. However, they could easily make consoles as powerful as the ones of MS and Sony (See gamecube).


1)Their own OS or controller is irrelevent.  They are a game company they would easily adapt unless they are incompetent chumps.

Theres little unique about wiiu games.  Pad is near pointless, 2)they wanted to create a new fad and saw tablet sales and thus came this giant moronic controller.  3)It has added nothing to my gaming on the wiiu, it actually hampers it. 4) They make weak hardware cause its cheap, they chose to give you a inferior product so they can make more money of you.

5)You all need to stop being delusional and apolagetic for their screwups and shortcomings and give up some weird emotional attachemnt and think for a second just posibly great 3rd party might be for ninty.  

So much wrong in this post. Where to start. 

1) Oh yea? So wii sports, wii sports resort, Nintendoland, Skywardsword, Mario kart wii, Wii party/wii party U, and I could go on forever. Also, have you ever heard miiverse? 

2) Good job pulling shit out of your ass. They specifically said a few years ago that they began wiiU developpement BEFORE tablets had even begun being so popular.

3) Sorry to hear that for you, what's your miiverse username?

4) Again, pulling shit out of your ass. You seem to like doing that don't you? Looking at most of your posts on this forum. They're selling the system at a lost, that's some big profits that they are raking in from that so called "overpriced" console.

5) You just need to stop arguing without presenting any facts. Thank goodness that you're not in charge of any gaming company as big as Nintendo, because i'll tell you that much, they would be going down the shitter if you were in charge of them. I bet you didn't know that 65% of all of their revenues comes from selling hardware didn't you? Oh right! Your logic would mean that they would sell 5-10times more software on Xbox/PS to replace their lost revenues! That's brillant! So instead of selling 8-10M mario kart copies, you think they'd sell 50M! 

Indeed, calling people blind when you are encouraging them to do something even worse. If there is one person blind in this thread, it's definetly you. Present me some factual data other then "their hardware is shitz, controller is shitz" and then we can talk. 

Their current situation is not good with wiiU, however, the solution is most definetly not going third party. 


1 waggle fad is over get over it, id rather play Kart and Zelda on PS4 not last gen hardware.
2 Tablets like products have been around since early 90s, Apple just popularized the hell out of them.  Either way it was a shit idea that no one ever wanted for gaming, proof is in the fact they cant even market why the fuck the pad is there and their games dont even need it.
3 huzar95
4 They are losing cash casue they were forced to drop price due to SHIT sales.  Ninty does not make $ losing harware willingly.
5 lol they sure seem to be running the company to the ground with out me as ceo, from 9m forcast to 2.8 Ninty is taking Nin down the shitter themselfs no need for anyones help.  
And here do their profits come from ? do you know.

Where are ninty supporter facts ? its just emotions believes no facts at all.

You havent a clue if it be worse or not, you just feel or think it would be and spout that bs like facts.

Their situation over all is not good, Everythign they have been doing has driven them here.  Id rather a succesful 3rd party Nin then no nin at all or just a pathetic 3rd wheel like sega was its last two console gens.

 



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Sadly, their problems can't be solved by a quicky shake-up or new venture.



BeElite said:
benji232 said:
BeElite said:
benji232 said:

Fair enough, but then Nintendo wouldn't benefit from going 3rd party because they wouldn't have their own OS and controller to make their games unique like they are today. See miiverse and the gamepad (although the gamepad hasn't been used much since launch, I am sure they will make the next Zelda game and other games round the idea of the gamepad).

EDIT: Also, saying that they don't make good hardware is a sack of bs. They CHOOSE to make underpowered hardware. However, they could easily make consoles as powerful as the ones of MS and Sony (See gamecube).


1)Their own OS or controller is irrelevent.  They are a game company they would easily adapt unless they are incompetent chumps.

Theres little unique about wiiu games.  Pad is near pointless, 2)they wanted to create a new fad and saw tablet sales and thus came this giant moronic controller.  3)It has added nothing to my gaming on the wiiu, it actually hampers it. 4) They make weak hardware cause its cheap, they chose to give you a inferior product so they can make more money of you.

5)You all need to stop being delusional and apolagetic for their screwups and shortcomings and give up some weird emotional attachemnt and think for a second just posibly great 3rd party might be for ninty.  

So much wrong in this post. Where to start. 

1) Oh yea? So wii sports, wii sports resort, Nintendoland, Skywardsword, Mario kart wii, Wii party/wii party U, and I could go on forever. Also, have you ever heard miiverse? 

2) Good job pulling shit out of your ass. They specifically said a few years ago that they began wiiU developpement BEFORE tablets had even begun being so popular.

3) Sorry to hear that for you, what's your miiverse username?

4) Again, pulling shit out of your ass. You seem to like doing that don't you? Looking at most of your posts on this forum. They're selling the system at a lost, that's some big profits that they are raking in from that so called "overpriced" console.

5) You just need to stop arguing without presenting any facts. Thank goodness that you're not in charge of any gaming company as big as Nintendo, because i'll tell you that much, they would be going down the shitter if you were in charge of them. I bet you didn't know that 65% of all of their revenues comes from selling hardware didn't you? Oh right! Your logic would mean that they would sell 5-10times more software on Xbox/PS to replace their lost revenues! That's brillant! So instead of selling 8-10M mario kart copies, you think they'd sell 50M! 

Indeed, calling people blind when you are encouraging them to do something even worse. If there is one person blind in this thread, it's definetly you. Present me some factual data other then "their hardware is shitz, controller is shitz" and then we can talk. 

Their current situation is not good with wiiU, however, the solution is most definetly not going third party. 


1 waggle fad is over get over it, id rather play Kart and Zelda on PS4 not last gen hardware.
2 Tablets like products have been around since early 90s, Apple just popularized the hell out of them.  Either way it was a shit idea that no one ever wanted for gaming, proof is in the fact they cant even market why the fuck the pad is there and their games dont even need it.
3 huzar95
4 They are losing cash casue they were forced to drop price due to SHIT sales.  Ninty does not make $ losing harware willingly.
5 lol they sure seem to be running the company to the ground with out me as ceo, from 9m forcast to 2.8 Ninty is taking Nin down the shitter themselfs no need for anyones help.  
And here do their profits come from ? do you know.

Where are ninty supporter facts ? its just emotions belives no facts at all.

You havent a clue if it be worse or not, you just feel or think it would be and spout that bs like facts.

Their situation over all is not good, Everythign they have been doing has driven them here.  Id rather a succesful 3rd party Nin then no nin at all or just a pathetic 3rd wheel like sega was its last two console gens.

 

1) Irrevelant comment. I proved you that Nintendo games do indeed need their own controller/OS in order to exist. You replied with something that isn't revelant to the topic at hand. However, I expected that from you.

2) I told you, facts is not " This is shitz! I hate this shtizzz!!!" Please bring a constructive sentence in order to argue which could preferebly not be so subjective.

3) "User could not be found" Hmmmmm.

4) Ha! Another fact pulled out of your ass! Hillarious because they were indeed selling the system at a loss since the very launch of the wiiU. http://www.gamespot.com/articles/wii-u-to-be-sold-at-loss/1100-6398857/

5) Indeed, 2 net losses in 30 years = going down the shitter. Their profits come from selling hardware and software (the 8th generation was an exception to this rule, however, I doubt they will repeat that same mistake going in gen 9).

It's hard to understand you when your sentences are so poorly constructed. But anyways, it is ironic that you're the one saying that people are "spouting bs" when YOU'RE the one who has pulled so many so called "facts" out of your ass. I proved you wrong on serveral of your claims here and yet you keep going at it. And I guess your reading skills are pretty poor since you're asking for facts and yet I pointed 1 fact that is very important: 65% of ALL of their revenues is from hardware.  Here, I underlined it for you. 

So I will repeat it again, you believe that Nintendo would sell 50million copies of Mario kart 8 on Xbox/PS to replace their lost revenues? Or actually, BRING ME some facts as to why it would ADVANTAGE them to go third party.



Predictions for LT console sales:

PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M

benji232 said:

You've seen it merely a couple years ago: Wii and DS.


come on man, the Wii and DS were doing MUCH better than Wii U was its not even close. Again ive seen nothing that suggests that Wii U is going to suddenly start selling great, Wii's time been over.



oniyide said:
benji232 said:

You've seen it merely a couple years ago: Wii and DS.


come on man, the Wii and DS were doing MUCH better than Wii U was its not even close. Again ive seen nothing that suggests that Wii U is going to suddenly start selling great, Wii's time been over.

Where did I say that WiiU or 3DS was going to sell as much or outsell wii and ds? Please copy/paste where I said that. You said that you couldn't see them raking in big sales ever again. And the reason why I responded to you with wii and ds is that when GC and Gameboy Advance was on the market, was ANYONE forecasting Nintendo to do 5times better in the console front and 2 times better in the handheld market merely a few years after? The correct answer is: No. The wiiU and 3ds aren't going to sell nearly as much as their predecessors. However, this does not mean that they won't see another huge success in the near future.



Predictions for LT console sales:

PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M

benji232 said:
BeElite said:
benji232 said:
BeElite said:
benji232 said:

Fair enough, but then Nintendo wouldn't benefit from going 3rd party because they wouldn't have their own OS and controller to make their games unique like they are today. See miiverse and the gamepad (although the gamepad hasn't been used much since launch, I am sure they will make the next Zelda game and other games round the idea of the gamepad).

EDIT: Also, saying that they don't make good hardware is a sack of bs. They CHOOSE to make underpowered hardware. However, they could easily make consoles as powerful as the ones of MS and Sony (See gamecube).


1)Their own OS or controller is irrelevent.  They are a game company they would easily adapt unless they are incompetent chumps.

Theres little unique about wiiu games.  Pad is near pointless, 2)they wanted to create a new fad and saw tablet sales and thus came this giant moronic controller.  3)It has added nothing to my gaming on the wiiu, it actually hampers it. 4) They make weak hardware cause its cheap, they chose to give you a inferior product so they can make more money of you.

5)You all need to stop being delusional and apolagetic for their screwups and shortcomings and give up some weird emotional attachemnt and think for a second just posibly great 3rd party might be for ninty.  

So much wrong in this post. Where to start. 

1) Oh yea? So wii sports, wii sports resort, Nintendoland, Skywardsword, Mario kart wii, Wii party/wii party U, and I could go on forever. Also, have you ever heard miiverse? 

2) Good job pulling shit out of your ass. They specifically said a few years ago that they began wiiU developpement BEFORE tablets had even begun being so popular.

3) Sorry to hear that for you, what's your miiverse username?

4) Again, pulling shit out of your ass. You seem to like doing that don't you? Looking at most of your posts on this forum. They're selling the system at a lost, that's some big profits that they are raking in from that so called "overpriced" console.

5) You just need to stop arguing without presenting any facts. Thank goodness that you're not in charge of any gaming company as big as Nintendo, because i'll tell you that much, they would be going down the shitter if you were in charge of them. I bet you didn't know that 65% of all of their revenues comes from selling hardware didn't you? Oh right! Your logic would mean that they would sell 5-10times more software on Xbox/PS to replace their lost revenues! That's brillant! So instead of selling 8-10M mario kart copies, you think they'd sell 50M! 

Indeed, calling people blind when you are encouraging them to do something even worse. If there is one person blind in this thread, it's definetly you. Present me some factual data other then "their hardware is shitz, controller is shitz" and then we can talk. 

Their current situation is not good with wiiU, however, the solution is most definetly not going third party. 


1 waggle fad is over get over it, id rather play Kart and Zelda on PS4 not last gen hardware.
2 Tablets like products have been around since early 90s, Apple just popularized the hell out of them.  Either way it was a shit idea that no one ever wanted for gaming, proof is in the fact they cant even market why the fuck the pad is there and their games dont even need it.
3 huzar95
4 They are losing cash casue they were forced to drop price due to SHIT sales.  Ninty does not make $ losing harware willingly.
5 lol they sure seem to be running the company to the ground with out me as ceo, from 9m forcast to 2.8 Ninty is taking Nin down the shitter themselfs no need for anyones help.  
And here do their profits come from ? do you know.

Where are ninty supporter facts ? its just emotions belives no facts at all.

You havent a clue if it be worse or not, you just feel or think it would be and spout that bs like facts.

Their situation over all is not good, Everythign they have been doing has driven them here.  Id rather a succesful 3rd party Nin then no nin at all or just a pathetic 3rd wheel like sega was its last two console gens.

 

1) Irrevelant comment. I proved you that Nintendo games do indeed need their own controller/OS in order to exist. You replied with something that isn't revelant to the topic at hand. However, I expected that from you.

2) I told you, facts is not " This is shitz! I hate this shtizzz!!!" Please bring a constructive sentence in order to argue which could preferebly not be so subjective.

3) "User could not be found" Hmmmmm.

4) Ha! Another fact pulled out of your ass! Hillarious because they were indeed selling the system at a loss since the very launch of the wiiU. http://www.gamespot.com/articles/wii-u-to-be-sold-at-loss/1100-6398857/

5) Indeed, 2 net losses in 30 years = going down the shitter. Their profits come from selling hardware and software (the 8th generation was an exception to this rule, however, I doubt they will repeat that same mistake going in gen 9).

It's hard to understand you when your sentences are so poorly constructed. But anyways, it is ironic that you're the one saying that people are "spouting bs" when YOU'RE the one who has pulled so many so called "facts" out of your ass. I proved you wrong on serveral of your claims here and yet you keep going at it. And I guess your reading skills are pretty poor since you're asking for facts and yet I pointed 1 fact that is very important: 65% of ALL of their revenues is from hardware.  Here, I underlined it for you. 

So I will repeat it again, you believe that Nintendo would sell 50million copies of Mario kart 8 on Xbox/PS to replace their lost revenues? Or actually, BRING ME some facts as to why it would ADVANTAGE them to go third party.

Profits child learn what it is in regards to revenue.  Wrap you mind around those things before you go crying 65% revenue.

nin net id huzar95, or are you one of those pathertic ninty supporters that does not even own their console.