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MARCUSDJACKSON on 18 October 2013

Wow this Big News. Alittle late but welcomed



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Normando on 19 October 2013
kowenicki said:
Normando said:
kowenicki said:
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theprof00 said:
I agree with Kowen, there was no need for an adjustment to 360 aside from simply where the sold consoles were. 1.5m on shelves would mean that they've specifically ordered quite a lot for their own stores. Maybe they're inticipating a lot of demand after Don's infamous quote. :D


unlikely. There are only about 65 MS stores so even if they each got a ton of 360s it would only account for a small number of the retail stock. As I said in my earlier post odds are you have about 1.5m worldwide thanks to stores like Walmart, Gamestop, Target, and Bestbuy. Worldwide you have a huge number of these stores that need stock.

11,000 Walmarts

6,600 Gamestops

2,900 Best buys

1,800 Targets

It's also important to remember than retail stock doesn't mean on store shelves. Retail stock also includes retail store backrooms, distribution centers, online retailer warehouses.

Interesting.

so how do you account for the supply of the PS3 being around 0.5m most of time accordiong to VGC, especially considering the PS3 is on sale in a lot more markets than the 360?

hint: you're wrong.

Where are you getting .5m PS3s? Also, I'm not saying that's it's a surefire 1.5m (or 1.4m which is the actual gap) retail. But you act as if it's impossible to have that many in circulation which is just silly. If you count stores like Kmart, Sears, Radioshack, Costco, and Toys R'us to the list I mentioned earlier. You have over 36,000 retail stores worldwide and that's not including overseas retailers, the stock in distribution centers, or the ever growing online retail market.


Im getting the 0.5 from the difference between shipped and sold on here.  I keep a record.   So now that we have established I am right on that.  How does your thought process and assumptions square that?  By your definition the PS3 is almost in a perpetual state of short supply and difficult to find.

You're betrayed by your own thread. You don't have numbers for Sony past 09/2012 and historically the PS3 has had a supply of 1.34 (2010) and 1.26 (2011) in september. You're own numbers show that Sony normally keeps a shorter supply of PS3s than Microsoft does 360s. But having a smaller supply doesn't mean it's hard to find, as your numbers show Sony usually had about a month and a halfs supply.

The 360 has averaged a supply of 1.44m between march 2012 and march 2013 (your most recent data). MS also had a supply of 2.14 this past march and not once since the 360 launched have they had a smaller supply in September than they did in March. Considering that this is it's final year as the primary console for Microsoft you can expect a dip in the supply, but by how much? Neither of us can know. So for you to come here and proclaim that there is no way it's what the numbers show is pretty ignorant.



binary solo on 20 October 2013

My guess is there are around than 100,000 retail outlets that sell consoles around the world. I doubt the stocking average for retailers is 15 consoles per outlet. So I would expect a million or less to be the typical difference between shipped and sold. Less that 500K and there will be shortages in some places, more than 1.5 million and it's way too much stock to be carrying. So the current gap for the 360 is right at the edge of believability, which means it's probably out by several hundred K. So I reckon the true 360 sales is more like 79 - 79.5K



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cheesecake on 20 October 2013

X360 is doomed :P



Puppyroach on 20 October 2013

I think the system for tracking sales right now is really broken. Anyone knows that there in now way suppliers would have 1.55mil 360 lying around with X1 just around the corner. Also, we have heard nothing from Sony regarding PS3 even passing 80mil... My guess is both are still close to each other, and these adjustments are just pure guesswork right now...