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pro tip. don't put the console in a glass box with no air ventilation.

Its good to know that it'll warn you before any harm is done.

There has been test to prove that PS4 runs cooler than PS3.
From Digital Spy: http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a500626/ps4-cooler-lighter-than-ps3-fcc-test-confirms.html



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deskpro2k3 said:

pro tip. don't put the console in a glass box with no air ventilation.

Its good to know that it'll warn you before any harm is done.

There has been test to prove that PS4 runs cooler than PS3.
From Digital Spy: http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a500626/ps4-cooler-lighter-than-ps3-fcc-test-confirms.html


The only thing that confuses me with this is PS3's and Xbox 360's, Wii's Xbox Ones, Wii U's have all always been shown in glass cases. The PS3 didnt yellow light during pre launch in glass cases. So why did PS4 if it runs cooler. Unless its a completely different issue.

 

Maybe everyone is assuming heat, when it has nothing to do with heat.



They not only have the PS4 in the display case, but stupidly have it in vertical orientation and did not use the stand. They have blocked most airflow through the vents in the side at the bottom...

It beggars belief that whoever set this up couldn't see this...

Wraet.



selnor1983 said:

You seem to have decided to cut the part that follows.

"Having ESRAM costs very little power and has the opportunity to give you very high bandwidth. You can reduce the bandwidth on external memory - that saves a lot of power consumption"

Why did you cut that?

Anyway look, Obviously the PS4 shutdown and couldnt be used for awhile due to heat.

I intentionally cut out the second part because it makes the whole statement even more ridiculous. Fact is, MS went with high speed ddr3 ram (2166MHz, not the cheaper and less power hungry 1600MHz ram). Obviously they thought they would need the hotter ram/higher bandwidth. And adding the esram obviously increases power consumption further...

Just read the data sheets. The memory in the PS4 uses LESS power than the memory in the XBox One. Had Sony gone with 4G of ram only, maybe the equation would be the other way round (didn't check, too lazy and it doesn't matter anyways).

And what do you mean by "couldnt be used for awhile due to heat"?
Two seconds is now awhile? I don't know how long it takes to retrain the gddr5 chips and get everything else running again, but two seconds of waiting seems like an excellent trade off if it saves the PS4 from a self destruct. I'd call that excellent engineering foresight.

What I would be more interested in is knowing whether the PS4 saved the state of the machine (eg you can continue playing the game where you sort of "left") before shutting down or whether it was an emergency shutdown (like on overheating pc graphics cards).



selnor1983 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

pro tip. don't put the console in a glass box with no air ventilation.

Its good to know that it'll warn you before any harm is done.

There has been test to prove that PS4 runs cooler than PS3.
From Digital Spy: http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a500626/ps4-cooler-lighter-than-ps3-fcc-test-confirms.html


The only thing that confuses me with this is PS3's and Xbox 360's, Wii's Xbox Ones, Wii U's have all always been shown in glass cases. The PS3 didnt yellow light during pre launch in glass cases. So why did PS4 if it runs cooler. Unless its a completely different issue.

 

Maybe everyone is assuming heat, when it has nothing to do with heat.


Not true.

The X1 display cases always have no sides on them and a cut out at the top for the main fan too. 

http://www.neowin.net/images/uploaded/1_1_1_tn_img_1091.jpg



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drkohler said:
selnor1983 said:

You seem to have decided to cut the part that follows.

"Having ESRAM costs very little power and has the opportunity to give you very high bandwidth. You can reduce the bandwidth on external memory - that saves a lot of power consumption"

Why did you cut that?

Anyway look, Obviously the PS4 shutdown and couldnt be used for awhile due to heat.

I intentionally cut out the second part because it makes the whole statement even more ridiculous. Fact is, MS went with high speed ddr3 ram (2166MHz, not the cheaper and less power hungry 1600MHz ram). Obviously they thought they would need the hotter ram/higher bandwidth. And adding the esram obviously increases power consumption further...

Just read the data sheets. The memory in the PS4 uses LESS power than the memory in the XBox One. Had Sony gone with 4G of ram only, maybe the equation would be the other way round (didn't check, too lazy and it doesn't matter anyways).

And what do you mean by "couldnt be used for awhile due to heat"?
Two seconds is now awhile? I don't know how long it takes to retrain the gddr5 chips and get everything else running again, but two seconds of waiting seems like an excellent trade off if it saves the PS4 from a self destruct. I'd call that excellent engineering foresight.

What I would be more interested in is knowing whether the PS4 saved the state of the machine (eg you can continue playing the game where you sort of "left") before shutting down or whether it was an emergency shutdown (like on overheating pc graphics cards).

These are custom designed boxes. Completely different.

Id rather trust an engineer of said product. 

But look, every single event has every single type of console in a glass box. Xbox One, Ps2, Ps3, Xbox 360 etc etc. 

Something happened to this PS4 heat or otherwise. Being in a glass box isnt unusual to PS4 at these events. 

Bottom line is. I hope the early adopters are fine.



Xenostar said:
selnor1983 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

pro tip. don't put the console in a glass box with no air ventilation.

Its good to know that it'll warn you before any harm is done.

There has been test to prove that PS4 runs cooler than PS3.
From Digital Spy: http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a500626/ps4-cooler-lighter-than-ps3-fcc-test-confirms.html


The only thing that confuses me with this is PS3's and Xbox 360's, Wii's Xbox Ones, Wii U's have all always been shown in glass cases. The PS3 didnt yellow light during pre launch in glass cases. So why did PS4 if it runs cooler. Unless its a completely different issue.

 

Maybe everyone is assuming heat, when it has nothing to do with heat.


Not true.

The X1 display cases always have no sides on them and a cut out at the top for the main fan too. 

http://www.neowin.net/images/uploaded/1_1_1_tn_img_1091.jpg

Oh yeah. Look you can see the cut out bits. 

Maybe thats what Sony should have done. Because this news could hurt them. Its got around to a few sites now. 

Why did they do that?



deskpro2k3 said:

There has been test to prove that PS4 runs cooler than PS3.
From Digital Spy: http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a500626/ps4-cooler-lighter-than-ps3-fcc-test-confirms.html

That article was written by a complete moron.

The temperature range given by the article describes the ENVIRONMENT temperature range the console should be operated in. It has absolutely nothing to do with how hot the console gets (and the FCC doesn't give a s*hit how hot it gets, it is all about the emf radiation it may emit).



selnor1983 said:
Xenostar said:
selnor1983 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

pro tip. don't put the console in a glass box with no air ventilation.

Its good to know that it'll warn you before any harm is done.

There has been test to prove that PS4 runs cooler than PS3.
From Digital Spy: http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a500626/ps4-cooler-lighter-than-ps3-fcc-test-confirms.html


The only thing that confuses me with this is PS3's and Xbox 360's, Wii's Xbox Ones, Wii U's have all always been shown in glass cases. The PS3 didnt yellow light during pre launch in glass cases. So why did PS4 if it runs cooler. Unless its a completely different issue.

 

Maybe everyone is assuming heat, when it has nothing to do with heat.


Not true.

The X1 display cases always have no sides on them and a cut out at the top for the main fan too. 

http://www.neowin.net/images/uploaded/1_1_1_tn_img_1091.jpg

Oh yeah. Look you can see the cut out bits. 

Maybe thats what Sony should have done. Because this news could hurt them. Its got around to a few sites now. 

Why did they do that?


My guess would be marketing not talking to tech, still it will be easy enough to modify these cases to have some ventiliation. 

I Suspect there are men right now drilling some ventilation holes though the plastic, no probs lol. 



selnor1983 said:

These are custom designed boxes. Completely different.

Id rather trust an engineer of said product. 

But look, every single event has every single type of console in a glass box. Xbox One, Ps2, Ps3, Xbox 360 etc etc. 

Something happened to this PS4 heat or otherwise. Being in a glass box isnt unusual to PS4 at these events. 

Bottom line is. I hope the early adopters are fine.


There won't be overheating issues in the retail units, why? Because the Consoles are using parts which origionated from the PC space which have had this kind of protection mechanisms for years.
Two things will happen when thermals get out of control.
1) The processors will lower their clockspeeds and/or voltages.
2) Once the temperatures reaches a certain threshold, they will shut down before damage is incurred.

Don't kid yourself though, this isn't a Sony technology it's an AMD one, the Xbox One will feature the same thing.

AMD specifies a 61'C maximum recommended temperature for all it's processors in it's whitepapers, which is pretty low considering they can handle 70-80'C, Sony may have told the system via firmware to "shut down" at that threshold, which is better than the alternative.

If anything, this generation of consoles should prove to be more reliable than any other prior generations of systems, which should be great, essentially any hardware failures should not ever result from overheating.
Other components however may, like cheap solder, bad capacitors etc'.

Even if a fan dies, the console won't overheat to the point of no return, just replace the $5 fan and you're up and running again.



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