Thats even better news. I was simply referecing what Xenostar said about PS4 outselling Xbox One because of price. Going by what your saying makes that statement moot.

2011.

wow you are going to get some heat for that, but I simply cannot disagree with you :)

This is how I see the new Xbox One, while the PS4 is an amazin piece of hardware; I do not see anything different or innovative; it is just a more powerfull machine.

Microsoft on the other hand comes out with new ideas (Kinect 2, HDMI in, the all digital/family sharing original plan etc); 

Alright now; I'll be under fire too :) Anyway, that's my oppinion at least!

OP: Yes it is a very good move... Now Kinect is part of the offering and developpers will come out with brilliant ideas and use of it. Before that, as it was optionnal they were no reason for the devs to invest too much time in it. I'm pretty confident we will see a lot of wonderful use of Kinect with the Xbox One.

If I buy an x1 its because of the games. Not kinect being shoe horned into it with features ill never use. The faster they remove it the faster ill buy.

I generally ignore a lot of the rubbish you spout out, but skyping and playing an MMO are awkward on PC? You can't be serious :P

OT: While i can understand why they have done it, it really makes the Kinect a very unattractive purchase to me and many others. Kinect is no more next gen defining than the Wii Mote, it's just a different way to play some kinda of games. For any of us that have no interest in it, the Kinect is an £80 paper weight. 

they wont its still optional less than 50% of there audience will have Kinect. Most devs will see it as a waste of resources. 

Everytime someone wants to tell me about the new kinect I must think back to what MS promised for Project Natal. It looked truly amazing. But Kinect didn't even deliver half of what was promised. Why should that be different with Kinect 2? I'll just wait until that thing is released and take a closer look. Until then, I remain skeptical as I have not seen one single game on the old kinect that was any good (imo). Oh, and I don't care about all that navigation, skype and whatnot things. I cam skype with a normal headset just fine and for everything else a gamepad will do just fine. I'm just interested in dem gamez.

How do get to the 50% number if every system sold has it?  Most people buying the XB1 will hook it up(probably 95%+).  THey will try some of the unique features it provides.  They will start gaming and stop thinking about it.  Even if they don't regularly use it, it will be hooked up.  When they talk to their friends that have an XB1(people in friend groups generally buy similar or the same consoles), they will hear how they did something  or used kinect and the curiousity will kick in.

  I have had a number of people who own 360's come over to my place and want to try the kinect.  A good portion of them went out and purchased it afterwords.  Seeing as how the Kinect 1.0 way underperformed compared to the demos for 2.0, I would think that it will only get easier for people to get into using Kinect 2.0  . 

People who say that they just can't buy the XB1 because they are paying for the Kinect or just don't want that feature is understandable.  It is odd if they haven't even tried it out.  I would bet that a number of them will eventually try it at a friends or whatever and quickly see that it isn't as much gimmick as they thought.  Kinect is really just another tool to have hooked to your television.  It can enhance many features of your living room.  The best part is that it can enhance and change how you play games.  Hard for me to jusge a game without playing it, so I can't imagine how so many people can dismiss this tech woithout atleast trying it.  The hard part for M$ is that very few of the launch titles really show the full capability of the Kinect, so people aren't being wowed.  I am not looking for being wowed, I just like the enhancements in all aspects that is can provide. 

It is when not everyone has a headset. Some type in a raid. Etc.

What I was refferring to is every Xbox One will have Kinect. With Kinect you dont need a headset. You can talk and hear with Kinect. Thats what I meant.

But cheers for the personal attack. It makes some feel better I suppose.

This article from that website is a very relevant article. Having every Console with the same feature set is only a +. It is only a negative on price. Kinect 2.0 and Xbox One is more than motion controls.

Also dropping Kinect for a Sku, would really detract fromthe whole point of calling it One. As in One box, One purchase does everything.

The only thing is 100% of devs and games annouced so far use Kinect. So when will the first game release without some form of Kinect intergration?