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Wright on 30 September 2013

Source: nowgamer.com

(Max and Joe have both stated that there's nowhere to read "Anti-Consumer" in the source. Approach this thread with cautiousness, or examine in depth the original source.)

 

SONY SAYS DECISION TO OFFER PS4 WITHOUT A CAMERA BASED ON CONSUMER CHOICE.


While Microsoft has reversed almost every policy they initially announced with the Xbox One, including DRM, self-publishing and always-on Kinect, one area where the company has remained steadfast is on the inclusion of Kinect with the Xbox One. 

According to Sony's Fergal Gera, forcing a console bundle that includes a camera on your customers in such a way is "against consumer choice". 

Many had hoped that Microsoft would decide to release a more competitively priced version of the Xbox One that does not include Kinect, especially after Microsoft announced that always-on Kinect would no longer be a requirement, but that has not been the case.

In contrast, Sony has made their PS4 camera optional and no doubt that has been a factor in allowing them to undercut the price of the Xbox One with the PS4.  

Speaking to Eurogamer, Gara said, "a decision was taken - and I think it was absolutely the right decision - which is, to force bundle a camera is probably against consumer choice.

"It does not offer the gamer the choice, and therefore the most sensible thing to do as a gamer friendly brand is give them the choice. And I'm absolutely delighted we've done that," Gera continued. 

"There is an an advanced, sophisticated camera-based technology there as an option for PS4, but it's not a requirement," Gera explained. "I'm really pleased with that decision."

Gera believes that the fact that the PS4 and Xbox One are releasing so close together will be an advantage to Sony, given that the company were playing catch-up with the PS3.

 

"To have a 16 month disadvantage and actually get any market share in the current generation, which is a very connected generation where friends get friends, took a lot of hard graft," Gera explained.  

"You've got to start good and keep on your toes. PS4 is a platform that can and will evolve. It will be great on day one but it will be far better in year two and year three as expectations rise and ideas are generated and these new tools are executed, " Gera continued.  

"That's the way to win. And obviously the gameplay and the core experiences are hugely pivotal to that. They are going to start really strong, but they have to continue to grow and continue to improve."


Thoughts on this?

  

 



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ListerOfSmeg on 30 September 2013

Doesn't the controller require the camera on PS4 for all the functions to work? So it is forced if you want everything you are paying for. Isnt that just as anti-consumer? If you want to play online multiplayer, you have to have PS+. So you are again forced to pay for something in order to get everything you paid for with the game.

Also Wii U and X1 will also improve over time. Not sure why some people try to pretend something true of all consoles since gaming began is only true of PS platforms



badgenome on 30 September 2013

"Anti-consumer" is seriously pushing it. If you want developers to take a peripheral seriously, it has to be included with your console.



iamdeath on 30 September 2013
ListerOfSmeg said:
Doesn't the controller require the camera on PS4 for all the functions to work? So it is forced if you want everything you are paying for. Isnt that just as anti-consumer? If you want to play online multiplayer, you have to have PS+. So you are again forced to pay for something in order to get everything you paid for with the game.

Also Wii U and X1 will also improve over time. Not sure why some people try to pretend something true of all consoles since gaming began is only true of PS platforms

It's not forced, your post makes zero sense.



ListerOfSmeg on 30 September 2013
iamdeath said:
ListerOfSmeg said:
Doesn't the controller require the camera on PS4 for all the functions to work? So it is forced if you want everything you are paying for. Isnt that just as anti-consumer? If you want to play online multiplayer, you have to have PS+. So you are again forced to pay for something in order to get everything you paid for with the game.

Also Wii U and X1 will also improve over time. Not sure why some people try to pretend something true of all consoles since gaming began is only true of PS platforms

It's not forced, your post makes zero sense.


I thought I made it pretty clear. Sorry I will try to simplify it some how though. Lets say you buy a brnd new car but it doesnt come with tires. You are forced to buy them to get full use of your vehicle. Same thing here. If you want all the functions of the controller, you have to buy the camera. If you want full use of your games, you have to buy PS+. Its not really that hard to understand dude.



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DD_Bwest on 30 September 2013
ListerOfSmeg said:
Doesn't the controller require the camera on PS4 for all the functions to work? So it is forced if you want everything you are paying for. Isnt that just as anti-consumer? If you want to play online multiplayer, you have to have PS+. So you are again forced to pay for something in order to get everything you paid for with the game.

Also Wii U and X1 will also improve over time. Not sure why some people try to pretend something true of all consoles since gaming began is only true of PS platforms


your trying way to hard and missed the entire point of his comments,   By not bundling them, they are not forcing people to use those,  so they have the OPTION to pay more for a larger experience,   they arent forced to buy all or nothing.



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DD_Bwest on 30 September 2013
ListerOfSmeg said:
iamdeath said:
ListerOfSmeg said:
Doesn't the controller require the camera on PS4 for all the functions to work? So it is forced if you want everything you are paying for. Isnt that just as anti-consumer? If you want to play online multiplayer, you have to have PS+. So you are again forced to pay for something in order to get everything you paid for with the game.

Also Wii U and X1 will also improve over time. Not sure why some people try to pretend something true of all consoles since gaming began is only true of PS platforms

It's not forced, your post makes zero sense.


I thought I made it pretty clear. Sorry I will try to simplify it some how though. Lets say you buy a brnd new car but it doesnt come with tires. You are forced to buy them to get full use of your vehicle. Same thing here. If you want all the functions of the controller, you have to buy the camera. If you want full use of your games, you have to buy PS+. Its not really that hard to understand dude.


but the PS4 will still work just fine for single player and all non motion games, so the car with no tires analogy is completly flawed.



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Seece on 30 September 2013

No it isn't ferel, if MS actually ate the cost I would say it was pro consumer, as it stands it isn't anything, it's just part of what the Xbox One is about.



 

Wright on 30 September 2013
DD_Bwest said:


they have the OPTION to pay more for a larger experience,   they arent forced to buy all or nothing.


Thing is, Kinect is part of the core experience itself. If you remove it you're taking out an integral part of the set.



ethomaz on 30 September 2013
ListerOfSmeg said:
Doesn't the controller require the camera on PS4 for all the functions to work? So it is forced if you want everything you are paying for. Isnt that just as anti-consumer? If you want to play online multiplayer, you have to have PS+. So you are again forced to pay for something in order to get everything you paid for with the game.

Also Wii U and X1 will also improve over time. Not sure why some people try to pretend something true of all consoles since gaming began is only true of PS platforms

If you want to play a game that use these feature you buy the camera... that what means CUSTOMER CHOICE.