My mistake on the first part, I thought u were Iimplying Wii was only as powerful as PS1. Maybe ur right if it was a straight downport but if they made a version built from the ground up for Wii then it would be able to surpass San Andreas.

If success is based on expectations then Wii was an enormous success because nobody thought it would come close to reaching 100m when it was first released. The ultimate goal of a product is to make money and Wii made billions, yes it didnt last as long as thr competition but it followed a typical nintendo cycle of 5-6 years. The Wii didnt fail, Nintendo just failed to follow up its success.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/wii-u-uk-sales-spike-685-on-zelda-launch/0122477

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Wii U sales increased by 2000 % in the netherlands lol
http://www.insidegamer.nl/nieuws/107545/wii-u-doet-het-goed-bij-game-mania

Nintendo sells WiiU's in the NetherLands?

Why wouldn't they?

^ They dont sell them in Poland/Norway as far as I know.

They really gotta start expanding and selling more of their systems in these markets. They're the least expensive after al

And do you think they would ever do it? Rockstar? Picking their number 1 IP and creating a version from the ground for just 1 console? And that console would be a casual one like the Wii? Never.

Look at what they did on 3DS: they decided to take a small risk (producing a handheld game) at the console with around 70% of the market and tailored for touch-screen and the casual experience. What was the result? Bad sales... so bad that they ported it to PSP (less market share, no touch-screen and not tailored to the casual experience) and it sold nearly as much. If they took a big risk (a GTA for 1 single home console)...on the Wii...then it would have been an epic fail.

On the other hand, look at the sales AAA hardcore games like Assassin's Creed III and Batman Arkham City are having on the Wii U. Those are almost epic fails (they aren't just that much because they were released on other consoles and they sold very well on them).

...on your point of view, yes it was. But now that the 7th generation is ending, my point of view is more long-term and, as I already demonstrated, I consider the Wii as a long-term failure. And don't forget that many people, like the creator of this forum topic, expected the Wii to sell 500M. On their point of view, the Wii is for sure a failure too.

Not for me. The ultimate goal of a product for me as a gamer is to make me happy (to amuse me, to challenge me, to touch me). And as a videogaming enthusiast (like we all that post on gaming forums are) the thing that matters the most to tell whether a console was a success or a failure is popularity: number of consoles sold, number of games sold... not how heavy are the pockets of who is behind the industry. I know Nintendo profited more from this generation than Sony or Microsoft. But that is a flag that even the most Nintendo extreme fans should be ashamed of ever using to claim Nintendo's success. As a PS3 owner, I'm proud that all the money I spend goes to the development of more games and consoles (for me that's success) and not to the pockets of greedy men (for me that's failure).

Funny some people bring up sales to back up their points but it just flops under closer examination.

Look game like Resident Evil have done well on Nintendo console. How things sell is a version of circumstance. Always is. If you dont put in effort you wont get results. AC3 did what 0.18 million world wide? Probably chump change to ubisoft. But ZombiU had multiple shipments is sitting close to 500K units sold worldwide. Again people will buy things on the console.

GTA is like Lego City.

Nintendo invests their money into games and employees. Everyone else wastes their money. That's the point.

You forget, Nintendo see's themselves as a toy company. Gotta keep people happy and interested. That's what they're working on. Cant twist it any other way.

The Wii isnt a long term failure. It did carry on the negative PR that nintendo recieved in the gamecube era, but its a process that is continuing

Nintendo and bawked up their transition period. That's their failure. A failure they're learning from. I just hope they move quickly enough.

I dont think we'd have this problem if the WiiU had those Rogue Squadron games and the other stuff that got cancelled.

It says PS4.

NOT PS3 NOR PS Vita.

I'm from Poland. You can buy a Wii U perfectly fine, especially on e-bay like site Allegro.pl where most of online shopping is done. Naturally, you can also visit the shop yourself. I'm doing so tomorrow to get my copy of Pokemon X :)

However, the only solid game sales data I know is that GTA V sold about 100.000 copies in Poland since launch.

I'd say things are changing a bit, NIntendo got a publisher in Poland to translate instruction booklets into Polish. Yay. Still, in shops like Tesco, Carrefour in the gaming section you can only see PS3, Xbox360  and psp, sometimes one Wii. NO sign of Wii U, PSVita though.

There are 40 milion people in Poland. That's quite a market, certainly bigger than netherlands or Norway.