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Maybe this is another of those signs of aging that have been standing out all the more to me since I turned 30, but I've been feeling more and more uneasy about all the killing people we have to do in triple-A games. I don't remember this ever being as stark an issue in the past as it seems to be now, I mean, you kill human beings in Contra on the NES without worrying about justification. Maybe it's an issue that realistic graphics brings with it.

Killing people is really getting out of hand and I don't think it's healthy to be so laissez-faire about it anymore. Even in stealth gameplay, which I usually really like, the tendency is not to squeeze the unsuspecting guard into sleepytime but to grab them and fucking brutally twist their heads around until their necks snap. How am I supposed to relish having skillfully outwitted the amassed enemy when they're all lying around twitching because of their suffocating brains?

A couple of qualifications are perhaps necessary here: Killing monsters? Great. I'm all over it. Pile them in with a fucking snow plow and I'll make with the rockets. Killing cartoon villain humans in a silly game, like Deadpool? Rock on, laugh it up. We're not really supposed to identify with Deadpool, anyway, just point and laugh. Killing humans in a game to establish that our character has completely lost it, as in God of War and Spec Ops? Like it. Player-protagonist disconnect, very effective storytelling tool. Go nuts. Killing in self-defense because the guys are trying to kill you? Well, yeah, alright, as long as you never consider it something to be done casually. And that starts getting iffy when you start pre-emptively snapping necks before they've even had a chance to bring their individual intentions across.

I'm not turning into some kind of moral guardian here who worries that the kiddies are getting desensitized to violence and wants everything from Animal Crossing on up to be banned. For me, this is a storytelling issue. I don't see how a game can expect us to sympathize with the personal motivations of a character who kills boatloads of people in positions that, under slightly different circumstances, they themselves could have been in.

I know I like to make the case that Nathan Drake is a psychopath, but even those games lean towards the silly, pulpy, Indiana Jones style where the baddies are just the baddies and there to be chewed up like popcorn. Maybe it didn't always bring that across in ways that allowed the lead characters to remain identifiable, but never mind. It's all this killing in serious, 'realistic' games like Modern Warfare derivatives, and indeed, adventures into oh-so-bloody-'worthy' character drama like The Last Of Us that puts a bad taste in my mouth. Games where protagonists and support characters are presented as everydudes just doing what any of us would do under the same circumstances.

Example. At the start of The Last Of Us, the event that snowballs into the larger plot is our man on the ground Joel and his smuggling partner Tess going off to confront a rival businessman who has wronged them, and hired thugs to kill them before they come seeking satisfaction. And when they find the dude, they torture him and cap him in the head while he's unarmed, prone, and begging for mercy. You know what this says to me? It says that this guy was entirely justified in trying to have our heroes killed. We know, and he knows, that they have a reputation for killing the people who wrong them. Because of that, he cannot be expected to try to get them around a table and talk about compensation like civilized adults. His only option for staying alive is to try to keep them the fuck away by any means necessary. His guard even tries to warn them off, verbally, when they arrive. He doesn't have a gun out, he's just mouthing off. He gets shot in the face.


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I generally agree with him here. I feel that there should be another way to aproach story and gameplay in video games that should be tried. I am guity of pulling the trigger too many times myself and probably will continue doing so considering the line of upcoming games. So i am part of the problem but i'll try to diversify the kind of games i'll play. 

Recently while playing a game i came across a moment where i just sort of stood there for a minute or two. Trying to see if i could solve the situation in the game without resorting to kill the NPC. I had to just go through with it and as games are becoming more graphically intense and character more real. It can take a toll on a player who is not completely desensitized to all this killing. 



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I don't know. The only time I've felt uneased about killing was in Dragon Age:Origins.

True is that, if the game gives me the option, I choose to spare anyone though. That's why I enjoyed Metro: Last Light a lot.



green_sky said:

You know what this says to me? It says that this guy was entirely justified in trying to have our heroes killed.

Isn't that kind of the point, though? Their world is a fucked up place, and it's kill or be killed. Joel, at least at that point, is more of an anti-hero than a hero.



In Last of Us the early violence illustrates their world. Joel is a dark cynical character when we meet him. In the game when I killed men in front of Ellie should would say "holy!" or other reactions to the brutality. We see through her the shock of violence and the desensitized feelings after prolonged exposure.

I think Last of Us touched on violence as well as any game I have ever played. I felt the visceral combat and kill animations far more than other games.

badgenome said:
green_sky said:

You know what this says to me? It says that this guy was entirely justified in trying to have our heroes killed.

Isn't that kind of the point, though? Their world is a fucked up place, and it's kill or be killed. Joel, at least at that point, is more of an anti-hero than a hero.

The Last of Us probably handels this in the one of the better ways. It is just other games just seem like excessive overdose of firing guns and killing. Max Payne kills around 700 people in one night. That is just bit too hard to digest when the player is one firing his gun. 

Also there is Spec Ops: The Line where they give you strong weapons to shread enemy players into shreads. After you are done that they make you question your decisions while there was no real option to handle the situation much differently. 

Still would be nice if we had big titles coming from developers other than Nintendo where we have less bloodshed. 



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green_sky said:

The Last of Us probably handels this in the one of the better ways. It is just other games just seem like excessive overdose of firing guns and killing. Max Payne kills around 700 people in one night. That is just bit too hard to digest when the player is one firing his gun. 


Max Payne always questioned himself how was he able to perform such feats. He adresses this problem at least in the first two Max Payne games.



Wright said:

Max Payne always questioned himself how was he able to perform such feats. He adresses this problem at least in the first two Max Payne games.

You are wright. Maybe i am just in zen kind of mood today. I'll go back to shooting virtual dudes tomorrow. There is good diversity of software for all kinds of gamers these days and also market is king. It dictates what sells and what gets made.



green_sky said:

Wright said:

 Max Payne always questioned himself how was he able to perform such feats. He adresses this problem at least in the first two Max Payne games.

You are wright. Maybe i am just in zen kind of mood today. I'll go back to shooting virtual dudes tomorrow. There is good diversity of software for all kinds of gamers these days and also market is king. It dictates what sells and what gets made.


Ey, you have the wright to feel how you like. I was merely pointing out that your Max Payne example wasn't valid xD

 

Maybe it's just because I'm from other era, but I don't feel uneased by killing thousands of human enemies. But as I told previously, if the game gives me the option to spare their lives, I do it.



hmm, don't really agree much. The only time I felt uncomfortable/uneasy was in mw2 when I shot up an airport full of innocent bystanders.

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Sony already made a great game about how it isn't nice to kill things, and (at least for me) Shadow of the Colossus hammered it home more than any other game attempting to make the same point.

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