I don't think it will keep up with PCs becuase PCs will be pushed further, it's more than a match for the consoles.

I couldnt really give a f**k wha you believe, TBH. =)  Personally I find the dual core i5 to be cumbersome in all the rigs I've seen it in running win 7 64-bit, doesn't impress even in a  8Gb system. My AMD processor is a Phenom II 1090T 6-core @ 3.2GHZ/core

You miss that the PS4 is all streamlined to the metal, so the remaining resources for the graphics after other ends are distributed put the available ram equal to the pc card I specc'ed.  The weird thing is, you assume the PC vid card requires OS overhead allowance, which is taken care of by 2-4 gb of the available 16 GB DDR3 ram I have in there.  Why did you go on and say that the memory bandwidth is higher, when both the vid card and PS4 have GDDR5 ram, so the memory will run similar bus speeds.

As for your end statement, here's benchmarks between 7850 and 7870 -http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=548  you'll se that they're not that far apart from each other.

Also, holy shit you believe games will take 4GB of the GDDR5 memory? I'd be willing to bet at most 5GB will go to graphics with the other 2 - 3 going to other tasks such as sound and so forth. 

And no, I mentioned the OS overhead because it will hinder what the 7850 is capable of in a more closed, gaming center environment, such as a video game console, which is why a 7850 in a PC < 7850 in a console.

My end statement was refferring to your boasting, sure your rig is capable, but saying "it's much more poweful than the PS4" or anything along those lines is simply being dishonest, which is why I called you out on it.  Hence I mentioned parts that are worth boasting about.

I guess.

We get Gaming of Republic laptops every 4 years, and run the latest games in the higher end specs. Wifey is doing Guild Wars 2 right now.

I recall 360 Oblivion looking better then a majority of my friends gaming computers... for about a good year. I'd say the consoles have a nice advantage for a year and then things always look better on the PC, maybe less then a year.

But games like The Last of Us, Uncharted, Gears 3, Halo 4, always look really good when you consider how well optimized they are.

The next gen of consoles will probably make use OpenCL for physics calculations:

You really don't want Nvidia for GPGPU tasks, also the older Nvidia GTX 5xx series were faster at it.

Where did you even get that from? I re-read my reply and saw nothing where I said that. I said that the OS on a PC is reliant on the mobo memory, not on the video card.

Don't forget a huge resource hog - physics. Since everything is pooling from that 8GB, the physics is going to want to take up at least a gig of ram space for calculating movement predictions. 

The vid card is merely a placeholder, as AMD has their next gen announcing in the fall. So, for $50 more, or $300 total, there will be a card that will clearly surpass this gen's consoles. It's just the basic nature of consoles vs. pc computers. Consoles are built on architecture in place from up to 2 years prior to modern day hardware.

With the GT240 the game at max would just run at 10 to 15 fps. Configuring it to medium or close to high, I would got 30 fps, sometimes reaching 40. But that VGA wa horrible, specifically because of the DDR2 memory. With the GTX650, the game runs at max mostly at 60 fps, but sometimes it seems to go to 40 or 50 fps in more crowded areas.

I haven't yet looked for bottlenecks, since I bought the new video card two months ago and before that I wouldn't need to look much to find the culprit with that GT240. About the processor, it isn't overclocked (normal 3.2 GHz).

NVidia probably would match it up using CUDA. They try hard to push their tech instead of OpenCL. If they simply started using OpenCL too finally we could see more common applications using GPU to calculate.

But my point is developers probably will not use CUDA because all next gen consoles use AMD gpu's . That's why i'm saying it's probably not a good comparison to use a Nvida gpu in a PC that matches the next gen of consoles. More importantly both consoles use a one chip APU design, there are currently no APU's with comparable graphics power nor memory bandwidth available for PC.

Trunkin said: bananaking21 said: you forgot to add a mouse+keyboard in the prices i know theoretically they dont cost much but when it comes to gaming if you want a good M&K they could cost quiet a good sum! True, but who doesn't own a M&K these days? Hell, if you own a wired 360 controller you don't even need to buy one of those either. @disolitude: You kinda need to add Windows 8 into the price, don't you? You're not gonna be doing much gaming without it.

Actually I do all my PC gaming on Ubuntu Linux ($0 and the basis of the upcoming steambox).  224 games released in the last 6 months with lots more on the way.  So there is a lot of gaming that can be done without Windows 8.